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Mira:
--- Quote ---Again no clever manipulation of Harry or an exploitation of Harry’s guilt. Just a cry for help. Harry and Susan both make everything highly emotionally charged but you can blame both of them for that. Susan is probably the one feeling guilt for hiding Maggie the way she did.
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Yes, and that is why even though she told the truth I still say the guilt trip extended to Harry was
sort of a manipulation. She knew he'd be pissed because she didn't tell him, and perhaps not believe her as well.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on April 16, 2020, 01:06:15 PM ---Pretty far down the list on what did get her to attack... These "moral" arguments are nice, but death
was imminent for their little girl. Susan wasn't going to survive as she was in any case, you don't think she wouldn't have lost it once the Red King cut little Maggie's throat, then Harry and Eb died? Harry was grasping at straws, Susan was the last one he had left. I can buy
all the moral arguments if this was Harry's plan all along to defeat the Red King, but it wasn't.
But it didn't work, so it is irrelevant, what worked was the truth.. Getting Susan to ask the fatal question to Martin, was he behind the situation where her baby is about to get her throat cut? When Martin confirmed that he was, then she lost it. Harry didn't "murder" her because he lied in the heat of the moment that she was protected by Fae magic, that wasn't even an effective argument.
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So you agree that Harry lied and tried to manipulate Susan.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on April 16, 2020, 10:00:28 PM ---So you agree that Harry lied and tried to manipulate Susan.
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No, not in they way you'd have it.. Did he say that to try and calm her so she'd wouldn't be afraid?
Yes... I've had people tell me to keep calm everything is going to be fine, when we both knew it damn well wouldn't be. That is a hope, not manipulation.. It wasn't a ploy to get her killed because the knife no matter what it was made of didn't matter.. Once she attacked, she was no longer Susan, she knew that all along.
Bad Alias:
What do you mean by "Harry was grasping at straws" and "But it didn't work, so it was irrelevant, what worked was the truth?"
What was the motivation of "grasping at straws?"
What do you call it when someone says something that isn't true, they know it isn't true, and they hope for God's eventual forgiveness before they say it?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on April 18, 2020, 01:49:03 AM ---What do you mean by "Harry was grasping at straws" and "But it didn't work, so it was irrelevant, what worked was the truth?"
What was the motivation of "grasping at straws?"
What do you call it when someone says something that isn't true, they know it isn't true, and they hope for God's eventual forgiveness before they say it?
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Harry’s ability to feel guilty about the wrong things and totally miss the obvious namely his suicide and especially his handling of Molly?
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