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Mira:
--- Quote ---What was the motivation of "grasping at straws?"
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Huh??? Oh there was the little matter of his and Susan's daughter about to get her throat cut, and he was out of options. There was no play left that would save her.
--- Quote ---Harry’s ability to feel guilty about the wrong things and totally miss the obvious namely his suicide and especially his handling of Molly?
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Yup.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on April 18, 2020, 11:31:34 AM --- Huh??? Oh there was the little matter of his and Susan's daughter about to get her throat cut, and he was out of options. There was no play left that to save her.
Yup.
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Because in the end what is morality about? It is about how we interact with other people. Harry and Susan had certain expectations of themselves and of each other. These expectations were quite clear from the beginning and confirmed with each interaction. Do everything and more to save their daughter. Anything possible.
Both Susan and Harry were not that concerned with their own lives. Or the planet for that matter. A lie to help each other do what had to be done? Nothing.
There was only one option open and Harry had to do everything possible to take that road including lying to Susan. Not doing so would have been the worst breach of morality. It would have been a betrayal of Susan and everything they expected of each other.
Susan did not mind. She knew her daughter was saved. That was the important thing for her.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on April 18, 2020, 02:30:22 PM ---Because in the end what is morality about? It is about how we interact with other people. Harry and Susan had certain expectations of themselves and of each other. These expectations were quite clear from the beginning and confirmed with each interaction. Do everything and more to save their daughter. Anything possible.
Both Susan and Harry were not that concerned with their own lives. Or the planet for that matter. A lie to help each other do what had to be done? Nothing.
There was only one option open and Harry had to do everything possible to take that road including lying to Susan. Not doing so would have been the worst breach of morality. It would have been a betrayal of Susan and everything they expected of each other.
Susan did not mind. She knew her daughter was saved. That was the important thing for her.
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Exactly, that is why I added it was like when someone tells you everything is going to be okay, when you both know it isn't. I think Harry said it to calm her not to get her to attack. When he asked her to think and then ask Martin a very important question as to why their daughter was about to get her throat cut, she asked it calmly, Martin answered calmly, then she lost it.. She also knew that once she lost it and turned, it was all over for her as a human, Harry's "lie" about the knife not hurting her wasn't even a remote factor in her attacking.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Arjan on April 18, 2020, 02:05:04 AM ---Harry’s ability to feel guilty about the wrong things and totally miss the obvious namely his suicide and especially his handling of Molly?
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He literally couldn't remember Molly handling his suicide at this point, so I don't see how that's relevant.
--- Quote from: Mira on April 18, 2020, 11:31:34 AM --- Huh??? Oh there was the little matter of his and Susan's daughter about to get her throat cut, and he was out of options. There was no play left that would save her.
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You still haven't answered any question I've asked you. Did Harry lie to Susan or not? What was his goal in telling Susan that Martin's machete couldn't hurt her?
--- Quote from: Arjan on April 18, 2020, 02:30:22 PM ---A lie to help each other do what had to be done? Nothing.
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So you agree with me that Harry lied to Susan to get her to act? Because that's what I'm saying. Mira is saying he didn't lie to get her to act, and it didn't matter that he lied to her to get her to act because she was going to do it anyway. Stating that he didn't lie and his lie didn't matter seems a little contradictory to me.
Mira:
--- Quote ---You still haven't answered any question I've asked you. Did Harry lie to Susan or not? What was his goal in telling Susan that Martin's machete couldn't hurt her?
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He wanted her to calm down and think... It is like telling someone going into danger that everything is going to be okay when both of you know damn well it won't be. Now you can call that lying if you want to, but it is not done out of malice like you are implying.
--- Quote ---So you agree with me that Harry lied to Susan to get her to act? Because that's what I'm saying. Mira is saying he didn't lie to get her to act, and it didn't matter that he lied to her to get her to act because she was going to do it anyway. Stating that he didn't lie and his lie didn't matter seems a little contradictory to me.
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Because after he said it, she didn't act.. She merely calmed down, then he asked her to think back to what happened and who was involved? When she did that and asked Martin a very pointed question, she found out the truth, then she acted..
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