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Peace talks excerpt indications
Regenbogen:
When doing magic, you have to believe that what you are doing is right or justified. Maybe the "greasy feel" is, that one feels the evil intention behind the magic, not the magic itself.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Regenbogen on April 10, 2020, 11:21:37 AM ---When doing magic, you have to believe that what you are doing is right or justified. Maybe the "greasy feel" is, that one feels the evil intention behind the magic, not the magic itself.
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That could be, it was in his battle with Cowl, where he talks about the greasy feel of black magic, he felt some of that about Cowl, however he said in their battle it was straight up, Cowl wasn't using black magic.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on April 10, 2020, 03:41:22 AM ---Violation of the Laws does not equal black magic. Jim has said the Laws were set up specifically to limit power.
Dark magic has a qualitative difference. Dresden talks about this often, such as in Blood Rites when he feels the Malacchio. I don't have the ebook on hand so I can't do a direct quote but he says (paraphrasing) that he had always assumed that there wasn't really any truly evil magic, that it all came from the same place. But the Malacchio (Evil Eye - often associated with the Fomor fyi) that Lord Raith was using (powered by He Who Walks Behind supposedly) was of a different quality, something fundamentally wrong and evil.
Also, whilst the half-vamps are not mortal in the strictest sense, they are more mortal than Thomas. Food for thought, considering how many of them died to. And Harry murdered Susan on an Altar of Blood Sacrifice in front of her daughter, whilst also completing the ritual in doing so. And you're telling me it isn't black magic...
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Half vamps were hit in their vamp half, though, not their human half. Even if their human half had lost the ability to live without the vampire.
And yes, Harry killed (not murdered) Susan. He did so with a knife, though, not with magic. Harry has straight-up-murdered RCV's with magic, though, and that never seemed like black magic to anyone (or he would've been kicked to the curb for murdering Bianca with magic to kick off the war).
So, to sum up, I think Harry used an evil ritual, but it was not black magic, and he used it for a good purpose.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: AClone on April 09, 2020, 02:40:35 AM ---In the books Mab tells Harry that if he accepts the job of Winter Knight, that she'll forgive out the remaining favors that he owes.
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Not in Changes when Harry actually makes the deal with Mab. We're warned in Changes that fairy deals are tricky. You may think you're agreeing to one thing when you're actually agreeing to something else.
--- Quote from: Avernite on April 09, 2020, 06:18:43 AM ---I think that's an unwarranted expansion of the term black magic; sure it was death-fuelled, but no actual humans were murdered by magic there (they were murdered for magic).
So I believe it didn't technically violate any of the Laws.
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It's implied that human sacrifice to fuel magic is a violation of the laws of magic in Dead Beat when Butters asks Harry about Corpsetaker's murder of the professor from the museum.
Dina:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on April 10, 2020, 05:57:56 PM ---Not in Changes when Harry actually makes the deal with Mab. We're warned in Changes that fairy deals are tricky. You may think you're agreeing to one thing when you're actually agreeing to something else.
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Precisely
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on April 10, 2020, 05:57:56 PM ---It's implied that human sacrifice to fuel magic is a violation of the laws of magic in Dead Beat when Butters asks Harry about Corpsetaker's murder of the professor from the museum.
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Yes, but I don't think there is a problem if the ultimate goal of the ritual is to kill monsters. Also, perhaps a technicality can be claimed, as Harry did not set the ritual himself.
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