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Peace talks excerpt indications
Dina:
--- Quote from: AClone on April 09, 2020, 02:40:35 AM ---In the books Mab tells Harry that if he accepts the job of Winter Knight, that she'll forgive out the remaining favors that he owes. So I'm not sure what you think Jim is lying about or misremembering. I think there were two left when she says that, but when Harry finally took the mantle, there was still one remaining. He has tasks to do for her now, not owed "favors".
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I think is just the opposite. If Harry does Mab a favor, he would be able to stop being the WK while still being healthy (I mean, without a broken back). Of course, as the WK he basically has to follow her orders so...how you define a favor? It is complicated. For a while here in our discussions I thought that Harry's option would be that Mab would ask Harry to kill her (probably because she is infected). Then will be the shocking revelation that Harry actually loves her. So, by the clause of "not ordering him to kill anyone he loves" Harry will be free (with her back healed).Then two things will happen: Harry won't kill her and find a way to cure her or he would kill her (in essence, doing her the third favor) and Molly will become Mab (which will prove Ms. Duck has been right all the time) :)
morriswalters:
Nemesis will reclaim Lea. I think Mab will then die at her hand. And Harry will then kill Lea. And the stars will rain from the sky. Thus, Empty Skies.
Mark 13:25
--- Quote ---And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
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I'm sorry if this is a little incoherent.
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: Avernite on April 09, 2020, 06:18:43 AM ---I think that's an unwarranted expansion of the term black magic; sure it was death-fuelled, but no actual humans were murdered by magic there (they were murdered for magic).
So I believe it didn't technically violate any of the Laws.
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Violation of the Laws does not equal black magic. Jim has said the Laws were set up specifically to limit power.
--- Quote ---The Laws of Magic don’t necessarily match up to the actual universal guidelines to how the universal power known as “magic” behaves.
The consequences for breaking the Laws of Magic don’t all come from people wearing grey cloaks.
And none of it necessarily has anything to do with what is Right or Wrong.
Which exist. It’s finding where they start or stop existing that’s the hard part.
Jim
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Dark magic has a qualitative difference. Dresden talks about this often, such as in Blood Rites when he feels the Malacchio. I don't have the ebook on hand so I can't do a direct quote but he says (paraphrasing) that he had always assumed that there wasn't really any truly evil magic, that it all came from the same place. But the Malacchio (Evil Eye - often associated with the Fomor fyi) that Lord Raith was using (powered by He Who Walks Behind supposedly) was of a different quality, something fundamentally wrong and evil.
Also, whilst the half-vamps are not mortal in the strictest sense, they are more mortal than Thomas. Food for thought, considering how many of them died to. And Harry murdered Susan on an Altar of Blood Sacrifice in front of her daughter, whilst also completing the ritual in doing so. And you're telling me it isn't black magic...
didymos:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on April 10, 2020, 03:41:22 AM ---Dark magic has a qualitative difference. Dresden talks about this often, such as in Blood Rites when he feels the Malacchio. I don't have the ebook on hand so I can't do a direct quote but he says (paraphrasing) that he had always assumed that there wasn't really any truly evil magic, that it all came from the same place. But the Malacchio (Evil Eye - often associated with the Fomor fyi) that Lord Raith was using (powered by He Who Walks Behind supposedly) was of a different quality, something fundamentally wrong and evil.
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There was also the barbed wire spell in Grave Peril, which was unlike Harry's magic. He ought to have remembered that.
Mira:
--- Quote from: didymos on April 10, 2020, 04:00:44 AM ---There was also the barbed wire spell in Grave Peril, which was unlike Harry's magic. He ought to have remembered that.
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I believe it was in Dead Beat, but Harry talks about how black magic has a "greasy feel" to it
when one encounters it.
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