The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Peace Talks snippet on Entertainment Weekly
morriswalters:
The nature of intellectus on the island is settled in the text. It's specific to the island. And it is more about the state of the island then any intellectual thing. What Demonreach knows or can know is a separate matter. We know he is aware of how the island and prison came to be. And he knows how it works. The question being can he translate the journals? And the answer is he will if Jim needs him to. Unless I missed something there is nothing in the text to forbid it.
My question would be, if the book is damaged, could Harry bring the book to the island, and if he did, could Demonreach visualize it without destroying it? That is my thought process. It arises from this quote.
--- Quote ---He touched the first two books, very gently. “Can’t hardly read them no more, even if you can make it through the language.”
“Who wrote those two?”
“Merlin,” Ebenezar said simply. He reached past me to put his own journal back up in place. “One of these days, Hoss, I think I’ll need you to take care of these for me.”
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toodeep:
I reread the fight with Shagnasty last night, and when the runes light up and stop him Harry specifically wonders what they are. He does not get any intellectus download about them, so obviously there are limits about the kind of information intellectus can give him, even about things that have been part of the island for centuries.
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on January 29, 2020, 07:48:44 AM ---@Mira @Arjan --
Yes, but... none of that really speaks to the core question of whether Dresden's access to the Intellectus also gives him access to historical, non-"now" info. Most of the Cold Days info-dump via Bob was magical content (which, as I discuss above, seems explicitly excluded from the intellectus, likely for safety reasons).
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Yet, during his year on the island the only access to information Harry seemed to have gotten was the defenses of the island and how to get them running again, nothing else. And when you think about it considering what the island is holding all it should be concerted about. Also consider even though Harry did his bond thing with the intellectus and knew what was going on at that moment on the island, he was still blocked from knowing anything about the prison aspect of the island.. It wasn't until he accepted that he was it's warden did he get access to that information. It is very possible he had been educated about all his charges in the prison, and he may be able to understand their languages so he cannot be fooled by them.
--- Quote ---I reread the fight with Shagnasty last night, and when the runes light up and stop him Harry specifically wonders what they are. He does not get any intellectus download about them, so obviously there are limits about the kind of information intellectus can give him, even about things that have been part of the island for centuries.
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Harry also wasn't officially warden at that time, he wasn't given the information.. However even when he got it he needed Bob to simplify and then it still took time for Harry to really get it and do what needed to be done in the following year.
g33k:
In Doylist, plot-line terms, how Harry learns to read Merlin's books -- IF he does -- doesn't seem like that big a deal.
We have lots of viable mechanisms, I think that's been shown pretty clearly.
It's possible that it will matter who -- what entity -- helps him, and the manner of the help. Does he work with Translator-Bob, or Translator-Bonea? Bob is a no-filter enthusiast, he's liable to get Harry in over his head (but then again... what else is new?). Bonea is partly-Lash, and there may be some reversion to Fallen sorts of mindsets from the psychic trauma of "dying" in the Outsider-attack, or from the icy prison Mab put her in, or from the "traumatic birth" or etc etc etc; and there may be some sort of "keep him in the dark, for his own good" mindset, that Harry used to do so much (and sometimes now notices other people doing to him).
The "cleanest" way would be for Harry to get an Instant Language upgrade; something like Translator-Lash did with Ghoul-Sumerian and Whamp-Etruscan. Assuming it isn't an Angelic trick, I presume that Mab or Odin or some-such could be bargained-with to gain the right knowledge to read those books. But of course THAT is too clean a solution, without enough torment and inconvenience for Harry, so I'm pretty confident that Jim Bastardutcher wouldn't write it that way.
Other methods have been shown. I presume Jim can see all of these, or invent yet another different method if needed.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: noblehunter on January 27, 2020, 06:00:51 PM ---It could mean that intellectus just covers the present state of the island. That is, Harry knows where the wasp nest is now but not the location of the previous nest.
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Harry knows where certain animals will be in Turn Coat. I assume that's because he knows their patterns and past.
--- Quote from: g33k on January 27, 2020, 09:43:35 PM ---I suspect this is intentional: the magic is described as more complex than anything Bob can even grasp; a direct grasp of this thrust into Harry's brain might break him. I assume Merlin built the intellectus effect intentionally as "covers nothing magical."
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I thought the intellectus was from the genus loci which Merlin didn't create. Merlin created the prison, not the island. I think there is some WoJ on point, but I'm not certain of that.
--- Quote from: Arjan on January 28, 2020, 07:11:36 PM ---I got the impression that the island also gets better in comunicating with Harry over time.
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I'm fairly certain you're impression is correct.
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