The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Peace Talks snippet on Entertainment Weekly
g33k:
--- Quote from: toodeep on January 27, 2020, 05:46:44 PM --- ... Honestly, if he really cared, couldn't he just get exactly how many years ago merlin was on the island (each time) and for how long, etc?
--- End quote ---
--- Quote from: noblehunter on January 27, 2020, 06:00:51 PM --- It could mean that intellectus just covers the present state of the island. That is, Harry knows where the wasp nest is now but not the location of the previous nest.
--- End quote ---
Interesting ideas... very!
Harry has to actively engage with the topic. If he is running, he knows what's underfoot, what's on his route (considering a goal, he knows the best route); if he wonders what animals are on the island, or plants, or etc etc etc... he knows any of that. But he doesn't "know" any topic that he doesn't actively consider, actively interact with.
So...
Has Harry actively considered the island's history, while on the island? I have to presume that he did indeed do so in the long interval between Cold Days and Skin Game, but... that was offscreen, and we don't know what (if any) results he got. Damn that Butcher guy...
Do we have ANY onscreen instances of Harry-the-Warden-of-Demonreach trying to use intellectus to consider anything historical about the island? Or explicitly querying Alfred? Even mundane stuff, like the last time more than a few people overnight'ed there (prohibition smugglers, I presume (oh, hey -- d'you suppose there's some amazing aged Canadian whiskey buried somewhere on Demonreach??? Harry could probably score serious points with Mac, if he brought a case of that... ;) And obviously, anything like that buried there now, Harry just has to wonder about, to know where it is... ).
===
But I'm pretty sure that all things Magical and Merlin-centric are explicitly NOT covered by the intellectus effect:
* As I noted above, Harry wasn't sure if he could cross the empowered circle, near the end of Cold Days.
* As others noted above, Harry needed Bob to "translate" the wibbly-wabbly, magico-wagico stuff that Alfred actively wanted Harry to know.
* Harry has long wondered about the runes &c on the island, and would certainly have speculated (and learned whatever the intellectus could tell him) about them, during the CD/SG interval.
* In Turn Coat, Harry sets up a fight on the island to unmask the Bad Guy; Binder is one of the Bad Guy's hired hands, and Harry knows when each of the sumoned goons steps onto the island, but only infers the summoning-circle; he doesn't "know" it (<insert PSY/Gagnam voice> intellectus-style).I suspect this is intentional: the magic is described as more complex than anything Bob can even grasp; a direct grasp of this thrust into Harry's brain might break him. I assume Merlin built the intellectus effect intentionally as "covers nothing magical."
This still leaves open the question of whether the intellectus knows anything other than current state of the island, i.e. mundane history.
Mira:
--- Quote ---
Has Harry actively considered the island's history, while on the island? I have to presume that he did indeed do so in the long interval between Cold Days and Skin Game, but... that was offscreen, and we don't know what (if any) results he got. Damn that Butcher guy...
--- End quote ---
It was my impression when he brought Bob onto the island to interact with Alfred, it was basically a history lesson that Harry got.. Knowing it's history is vital to knowing how the damn thing works. Then in the year on the island that followed, Harry learned a great deal more I imagine.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on January 28, 2020, 06:00:57 PM --- It was my impression when he brought Bob onto the island to interact with Alfred, it was basically a history lesson that Harry got.. Knowing it's history is vital to knowing how the damn thing works. Then in the year on the island that followed, Harry learned a great deal more I imagine.
--- End quote ---
I got the impression that the island also gets better in comunicating with Harry over time.
g33k:
@Mira @Arjan --
Yes, but... none of that really speaks to the core question of whether Dresden's access to the Intellectus also gives him access to historical, non-"now" info. Most of the Cold Days info-dump via Bob was magical content (which, as I discuss above, seems explicitly excluded from the intellectus, likely for safety reasons).
Arjan:
--- Quote from: g33k on January 29, 2020, 07:48:44 AM ---@Mira @Arjan --
Yes, but... none of that really speaks to the core question of whether Dresden's access to the Intellectus also gives him access to historical, non-"now" info. Most of the Cold Days info-dump via Bob was magical content (which, as I discuss above, seems explicitly excluded from the intellectus, likely for safety reasons).
--- End quote ---
It was also only about island related stuff.
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version