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Denarians and/or Circle in Storm Front?
Bad Alias:
Unless Harry is playing right into the BadGuys hands, I don't know why any of them would try to involve Harry in their plans (other than revenge and/or stupidity). I could see why a good guy might want to.
Bianca expected Harry to die doing the right thing. This was after two years of planning focused on Harry. She was wrong. I know Ortega was surprised when Harry "did the right thing" in Grave Peril, but I don't recall if Bianca was too. Harry certainly didn't die like she planned. And if Harry died in Changes, he didn't die doing the right thing.
Everything else is 4+ books in where I can easily believe that the BadGuys planned on Harry getting involved, or at least should have. I still think most of the "planning of Dresden to get involved" was more contingency than "this will further my plans." The "this will further my plans" group were all morons. Members of this camp include Nicodemus (every time), Lara in White Night, Mavra. That's 5 out of 15 books. Not counting the people in the next paragraph, are there any others who either explicitly planned on Harry furthering their plans or did something that makes it obvious that they planned it?
People who involve Harry and are successful in their goals are Mab every time, Marcone in Fool Moon and Skin Game, Uriel in a couple of stories explicitly and maybe every other story not explicitly, various members of the Senior Council, Odin (arguably, but not necessarily), Thomas, Mavra (arguably twice), Murphy, maybe Lara from above. Most of these are people (loosely speaking) coming up to Harry and asking him to do a job. Mab is usually straight forward, for a fairy Queen. Only a couple of people manipulated Harry from afar.
People who involved Harry to get revenge were Bianca, Arianna, Madrigal. Maybe Mavra and Nicodemus, but that would have been more of a bonus.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 06, 2020, 08:40:29 PM --- Unless Harry is playing right into the BadGuys hands, I don't know why any of them would try to involve Harry in their plans (other than revenge and/or stupidity) ...
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I think the Bad Guys may be beginning to learn their lesson. :-) Someone said there's a WoJ (I haven't seen it) that at this point, Nicodemus is terrified of Dresden.
But previously? If (as I WAG) a bunch of the Big Players know about the Starborn thing -- know what it is, know (or strongly suspect) that Harry is one -- then there's really good reason to involve him: they want to turn him to their side (or if they're Outsider (or ally thereof) get him Killed Doing the Right Thing (or maybe turn him to Team O? because maybe he'd be as USEFUL to them as an ally, as he is DANGEROUS to them as an enemy... another WAG, that; and an especially W one!).
Lots of Supernatural Hotness coming Dresden's way, and he's usually hard-up, and has a weakness for women... Temptations for power, too... Situations with knife-edge moral choices of aaallllll sorts...
Plenty of reason to get Dresden involved! Including (as Marcone notes more than once) Harry's penchant for wrecking BadGuy(tm) plans -- if you're a BadGuy(tm), just clear your forces from the field, aim him at a rival, and... let Harry be Harry.
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 06, 2020, 08:40:29 PM --- ... Ortega was surprised when Harry "did the right thing" in Grave Peril, but I don't recall if Bianca was too ...
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Oh yes, she very much was surprised. She evidently thought she had overwhelming advantage, and could force Harry to capitulate.
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 06, 2020, 08:40:29 PM --- ... Not counting the people in the next paragraph, are there any others who either explicitly planned on Harry furthering their plans or did something that makes it obvious that they planned it?
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Harry points out (as part of deducing the Black Council) that the large amount of overpowered magic coming to underprepared practitioners in Chicago has not just "strained" but outright broken the bonds of credulity. Someone(s) has been sending them there (apparently aimed at Harry, I think... although I don't think Harry knows it yet).
Similarly, things like having every kind of werewolf hit Chi-town simultaneously isn't credible as a "coincidence."
I don't count things like Nicodemus coming to Chicago to launch a Plague-Curse, that's just a tactical thing with the transit hub; also, a Big Player moving personally (not a puppetmaster trying to engage Dresden from behind a catspaw and two cut-outs).
spiritofair:
--- Quote from: Mira on January 02, 2020, 05:37:41 PM --- Harry described Marcone from the soul gaze as a man as cold as a featureless stainless steel fridge..
That is the kind of man that even the type of murder that his man suffered wouldn't be freaked at all
by it. So yeah, the soul gaze told Harry a lot about what Marcone would do.. That is one of the points of them, by giving a read on the type of person you are dealing with, thus predicting what they did do, would do, and will do..
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The woman that was killed with Tommy Tomm was Sells' wife's sister Jennifer Stanton. She was the target... she was encouraging Monica Sells to leave Victor. It was just luck that she was with Tommy Tomm... or somehow Victor knew they would be together.
Mira:
--- Quote from: spiritofair on January 07, 2020, 05:08:22 PM ---The woman that was killed with Tommy Tomm was Sells' wife's sister Jennifer Stanton. She was the target... she was encouraging Monica Sells to leave Victor. It was just luck that she was with Tommy Tomm... or somehow Victor knew they would be together.
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Which completely excludes Marcone from the original motive, Tommy Tomm just happened to be the poor smuck making love to her at the time. Or Tommy was the target and it is a sad coincidence that Jennifer was there..
morriswalters:
Or he got a twofer.
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