The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Denarians and/or Circle in Storm Front?
Mira:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on January 05, 2020, 01:28:26 PM ---Sells' three-eye ring had been pushing on Marcone's conventional drugs business territory for a while before, though.
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But that would suggest that it would be Marcone hitting on Sells and not the other way around.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on January 03, 2020, 04:18:01 PM --- ... remember the kid strung out on Three Eye who told Harry stuff that only HWB would know? ...
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IIRC, the kid only cited HWWBh's name... which was sufficient to get Harry engaged. He didn't say anything the Outsider would have "known," but he somehow saw & identified the Outsider's stain on Harry's aura.
morriswalters:
The quote is....
--- Quote ---"Wizard!" he trumpeted. "Wizard! I see you! I see you, wizard! I see the things that follow, those who walk before and He Who Walks Behind! They come, they come for you!"
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Bad Alias:
@g33k: I don't think any of the players knew Harry well enough to manipulate him to where they wanted. They never have, Nicodemus maybe more than the rest. And I don't buy the "it happened this way, so that's what the powers that be planned." If that's the case, Harry is the one of the most boring and inconsequential characters. He's just a pawn with no agency.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 05, 2020, 07:58:41 PM --- @g33k: I don't think any of the players knew Harry well enough to manipulate him to where they wanted. They never have, Nicodemus maybe more than the rest.
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The Loa, Ulsharavas, asks some pretty pointed questions. I think they are equally obvious to any of the Big Players. Even petty little Bianca knew enough to predict Harry would Die Doing the Right Thing. I don't think Harry is a complete cipher... although I agree that the BadGuys&Gals underestimation of Harry is a recurrent theme!
But, for example, I'm pretty sure that Mab had a huge amount of the events in Proven Guilty laid out, and that Harry (and most of the others) operated broadly (VERY broadly) as Mab expected... up to and including dumping power into the Winterwell (I suspect the Summerfire was a nasty surprise; the Starborn power was what she was after).
It's not 100% established as fact, but after it happened Harry suspected Lydia had been used to manipulate him into giving up a powerful spirit-shield talisman.
And of course we know the Fallen got Harry to commit suicide.
What the Bad Guys lack is the ability to predict over the long term, when Harry's particular mix of { selfless X stubborn X insightful X Starborn X ?? } is involved. They may have identified each of the traits, but some of those (like selfless) are essentially beyond their understanding, and it screws up their ability to lay out a maze that the Dresden-rat will navigate as they predict.
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 05, 2020, 07:58:41 PM --- ... And I don't buy the "it happened this way, so that's what the powers that be planned."
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No, I agree. Mostly, Harry goes off the rails and smashes stuff, particularly including BadGuy plans. But they find him to be predictable enough that they can engage him, suck him into their plots, engage in specific tactical manipulations. He boards the railway using the ticket given by the BadGuys... but then swtiches trains, changes which track goes where, and derails at least one train.
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