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Kindler:
Potential counterpoint: the lights went out in the hotel during a confrontation in which a significantly-powered Ward was thrown up. It's possibly the result of mortal magic use.

morriswalters:
The spell cast at the Shedd Aquarium never so much as made the lights blink.  But that is neither here nor there.  If you posit that the fetches were just showing up at random, OK. But it would have seemed that Harry knew better than to blow the lights during a terror attack.

g33k:

--- Quote from: morriswalters on December 04, 2019, 01:13:26 PM --- You see the Scarecrow exactly twice.  At the Fool Moon Garage and at Arctis Tor.  Molly mention's him earlier in a foreshadowing...
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Also, Daniel attests to Scarecrow as one of the Molly-abductors, but that probably counts as "the same" incident as Arctis Tor, since Scarecrow's still in possession of Molly at that later point.


--- Quote from: morriswalters on December 04, 2019, 01:13:26 PM ---... There are five attacks by the phages. Three where someone dies and two where they don't. 
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First was Pell, beaten by Hammerhands.  I think this was Mab, an incident carefully designed to draw Harry into the plot.  As such, likely a Fetch.

Then the Reaper in the Screening Room, where it both killed & injured people.  This is where Harry met "a kind of ward," and the myrk; it also got frosty, so likely Winter.

I don't think any of the Queens were behind the ward:  it was too weak, and Harry was able to "chop through it" with his will (n.b. not even a counterspell!), and even "get a sense of the spell" (the binding that Maeve laid upon Slate was, I think, just mantle-stuff: Winter Lady binding Winter Knight).  There was no hint of anything but generic "black magic" here, and my bet is on a middling-power mortal lackey for this.

Is the "murk" in PG the same (or at least the same sort of thing; a related thing) as the "myrk" in SF?  I'm willing to say a solid "maybe."   ;)  In PG, it dragged at him a bit, and actually "congealed" to almost stop him at the door; but Harry's pentacle is able to largely clear it from the screening room.  But he could barely clear his own armslength in SF.

And the Reaper was taken out in a single shot.  A normal shot, no Hellfire boost.  I don't think it could have been a Fetch.  Even the little ones in the theater, guarding the Way (to Arctis Tor) were resistant-enough to magic that no single shot of Harry's could take one out.  This says not-Mab, to me.

I dunno, maybe all the phobophages were Fetches.  Harry eventually pegs them that way, because "phobophage + mirror-access = Fetch" (so far as he knows), but we don't actually know that he's right (unreliable narrator), nor that mirrors were always the relevant entry-point.
 

morriswalters:
No, I missed it, the Scarecrow was at the Carpenters.  So three times.

Myrk or murk, I don't see anything more then Butcher changing the spelling for effect.  Mab was behind the Myrk in SF and it had to be thick for the Hobs to be there.  In the screening room it just had to be dark enough to frighten the audience.  There are no other players. It was either Mab or Maeve.  The only unknown in the book is Sandra Marling and she has a cell phone. Unless you think Glau was the summoner.

They actually see Hammerhands and the Reaper in the battle in the courtyard at Arctis Tor. So yeah I think they were fetches.

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