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Elaine, Trojan Horse? "It was the knife..."

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Mira:

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You would be correct, Mab explicitly states it.  Unless JB lied to us in Cold Days.  And it has never been established that Aurora was nemfected and not just insane.

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But she can be mistaken, find it odd that Jim would be so explicit about Slate presenting Maeve with the knife he had stabbed Elaine with in one scene, and a few chapters later Harry also mentions it. Also one has to ask whether or not Maeve was more susceptible than others to the infestation?  Because Lea had contact with the whole Court, but other than Cat Sith and perhaps Mab herself an epidemic of Nem-infection isn't mentioned.   

Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: Mira on October 22, 2019, 09:02:47 PM ---[1]she was his godmother from his conception.
[2]The Fae cannot lie remember?
[3]Last but not least,  Elaine says to Harry. "You do not know what I am.."

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1. We don't even know that. It has been vaguely hinted at that she got the job when Margaret was rushed. This may have been when she was escaping Lord Raith, so before Harry was conceived. I've always assumed it was when Margaret was in labor and knew she was about to die, so right before Harry was born.
2. But as you said,
--- Quote from: Mira on October 23, 2019, 02:59:51 PM ---But she can be mistaken.   

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There is a big difference between not lying and telling the truth.
3. It's at the very least an odd choice of words. Definitely curious.

isoycrazy:
Actually, I recall one moment when Lea acted strangely in SK.  When Harry summons her and described his thoughts and desires, Lea grabs the knife for just a moment.  Not just pats it, but grips it.  I figured it was Nemesis considering Harry knows to much and needs to be removed, but Lea resisted the urging.

And it was later during the chaos of the battle did Maeve become infected.

I think Maeve just wanted Elaine's blood to control her.  If she could not only remove Summer's player from the field but gain herself a wizard servant like her mother has gotten Harry, then she would prove her skills and worth.  "Mommy got this cool new toy.  I want my own version.  Then maybe she will see me as a big girl and love me."

Mira:

--- Quote ---Actually, I recall one moment when Lea acted strangely in SK.  When Harry summons her and described his thoughts and desires, Lea grabs the knife for just a moment.  Not just pats it, but grips it.  I figured it was Nemesis considering Harry knows to much and needs to be removed, but Lea resisted the urging.

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Yes, but while she is doing that she while she was explaining to Harry what a powerful object it is,m when he accused her of tricking him so she could get the Sword of Love to trade for the Knife.. To Harry's shock it is considered to be on par with a Holy Sword according to Lea.  I saw it more like gloating and justifying what she was able to pull off.  As I said before the party at Bianca's place, Lea seemed more infected by Nemesis because she appeared power hungry as in wanting to supplant Mab if she could.


--- Quote ---And it was later during the chaos of the battle did Maeve become infected.
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Actually I don't believe we know when Maeve was infected, when Harry and Billy visited her in the Underground she didn't seem to be exactly playing with a full deck.

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I think Maeve just wanted Elaine's blood to control her.  If she could not only remove Summer's player from the field but gain herself a wizard servant like her mother has gotten Harry, then she would prove her skills and worth.  "Mommy got this cool new toy.  I want my own version.  Then maybe she will see me as a big girl and love me."
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It's possible that is what she wanted, but the point is Slate and Elaine double crossed her, the whole thing was staged, he got burnt supposedly fighting Elaine,but not seriously, he still managed to stab her in the back wounding her but not fatally..  This fight just happened to take place near where Harry's car was parked, he found her wounded in his car.. She didn't want to go to a hospital supposedly because of the electronics, but even Harry has been admitted with too much harm to others, instead wanted him to take her to Aurora..  This was a bit of a show for Harry, how gentle and sweet Aurora is compared to Maeve etc...  Or at the same time was Elaine reporting back, mission accomplished, infection now certain to spread to Maeve as planned by Aurora, Elaine, and Slate.

Kindler:
I personally believe that Maeve was Infected between Grave Peril and Summer Knight. I don't think we've ever seen an uncompromised Maeve.

Nemesis didn't have enough time to break down her Fae restrictions (she still couldn't outright lie, for example), but was influencing her actions.

No way to know that for certain, of course, but, in my opinion, it fits. And I think she's definitely Infected by the time we see her in Proven Guilty, because what she says about Mab is patently untrue (and she looks like she's getting a dizzying high when she says it).

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