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Should representatives from the Paranet attend peace talks
g33k:
To become a signatory, you need a certain degree of power.
The Accords have a certain law-of-the-jungle aspect; you need to be able to defend your own borders & members against casual predation by the many Accorded predators. Only big "avoid war" issues become negotiated under the Accords; killing a rogue who killed a few of yours is ordinary operations.
The Paranet'ers don't have that level of power.
OTOH, without a copy of the Accords, we don't know for sure if "interested parties" who are not members (e.g. the Paranet) could come to the Peace Talks and rep themselves there. Do you have to be signatory to attend??!?
OTOH, there is a nifty little loophole here. Elaine shows up to rep the Paranet'ers, pulls out all the stops (including some bits of Summer Magic that I don't doubt she still has) and gets the Paranet signed to the Accords. And the White Council has to leave her alone, because she's a Signatory of a different Accorded Member. That does put the Paranet onto the radar of a bunch of predators, though. It's a short-term tactic that might buy a seat at the table, if needed; but as a long-term strategy it looks like re-running the Wamp plot, turned up to 11... UNLESS the Paranet then becomes the Spookyside / Muggle interface, and a full-scale military action becomes the default response to every Paranet'er killed? That's pretty deterring...
Arjan:
Except as a human wizard she is simply claimed by the council.
123Chikadee:
@g33k: Oooh, that'd be cool. I hope that's what happens.
Well either way, it'd be nice to see Elaine again. :)
g33k:
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 17, 2019, 04:09:11 AM --- Except as a human wizard she is simply claimed by the council.
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If she is separately signed to the Accords on behalf of the Paranet -- which the White Council is obligated to honor -- that explicit obligation supersedes the mere tradition of "human wizard = WC"
Or so the argument of technicalities goes.
And you know how much the faeries adore arguing those fine details...
"There is no 'spirt' of the Accords, only the letter of their law." Since we have no Accords (Jim hasn't ever presented them to us), we don't actually know what (if anything) the letter of their law says on an issue such as this one. They are a Doylist artifact; the Accords will say whatever Jim want them to say... including something ambiguous, if that's what Jim wants.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: 123Chikadee on October 17, 2019, 12:12:47 AM ---[1]PT is where the masquerade breaks. ... [2]Its either that or piss off a species 7 billion strong. ...[3]if Elaine shows up, she might throw in her lot too.
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[1] Do we know that it is in PT, or just that it is beginning to happen and will happen?
[2]The Paranet is for mortal practitioners who aren't human, not all humans.
[3]Why would anyone care what Elaine says? Harry's signature only mattered for Marcone because he was a warden commander for the area.
--- Quote from: g33k on October 17, 2019, 12:26:15 AM ---And the White Council has to leave her [Elaine] alone, because she's a Signatory of a different Accorded Member. ... UNLESS the Paranet then becomes the Spookyside / Muggle interface, and a full-scale military action becomes the default response to every Paranet'er killed? That's pretty deterring...
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That's a big problem for the Paranet becoming a member of the Accords. Perhaps the biggest point of the White Council is to police mortal practitioners (by killing the ones who step out of line). The WC and Paranet would likely be at war constantly.
The whole point of the Accords is to maintain the masquerade. If the Paranetters say "we're going to end the masquerade if anyone messes with us," then they are putting a huge target on themselves.
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 17, 2019, 04:09:11 AM ---Except as a human wizard she is simply claimed by the council.
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Can the Council just claim her? That appears to be what her and Harry think in Summer Knight and Harry and Ramirez imply it in White Night, but I've always been skeptical about that. Jim has said repeatedly that what makes a wizard is power, skill, and dedication. Plenty of people powerful enough to be White Council don't make it.
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