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Should representatives from the Paranet attend peace talks
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on October 17, 2019, 04:12:54 PM ---[1] Do we know that it is in PT, or just that it is beginning to happen and will happen?
[2]The Paranet is for mortal practitioners who aren't human, not all humans.
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Who are human but not strong and versatile enough for the white council.
--- Quote ---[3]Why would anyone care what Elaine says? Harry's signature only mattered for Marcone because he was a warden commander for the area.
That's a big problem for the Paranet becoming a member of the Accords. Perhaps the biggest point of the White Council is to police mortal practitioners (by killing the ones who step out of line). The WC and Paranet would likely be at war constantly.
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They police them because they claim them. Accord factions police their own.
--- Quote ---The whole point of the Accords is to maintain the masquerade. If the Paranetters say "we're going to end the masquerade if anyone messes with us," then they are putting a huge target on themselves.
Can the Council just claim her? That appears to be what her and Harry think in Summer Knight and Harry and Ramirez imply it in White Night, but I've always been skeptical about that. Jim has said repeatedly that what makes a wizard is power, skill, and dedication. Plenty of people powerful enough to be White Council don't make it.
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Elaine has all three and Ramirez would have claimed her for the wardens if she had showed her real power and ability.
dspringer1:
--- Quote ---I'd imagine they'd have to establish themselves as a power first. I'm not sure if they've done that at this point, but that's the first step. No one is going to take them seriously until they've demonstrated power.
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The Accords are both a recognition that they "have" power already and a method to moderate/limit friction with other supernatural powers. So having accord status would protect individual members from random attacks -- at the cost of collectively requiring the paranet to occasionally demonstrate that power. Alliances are another way to demonstrate power, but even then you will be occasionally required to actually lay down the hammer to defend your interests if you wish to keep that alliance.
We know from the scene where Marcone became an freestanding lord that many powerful individuals do not want Accord status as it can be quite dangerous -- probably because the other powers will test you occasionally to see if you are strong enough to defend your turf.
I would argue that the benefits are worthwhile PROVIDED the paranet has enough individuals who can deliver that power demonstration. And White Council Wardens do not count as they are associated with a different Accord member. Right now, the answer is almost certainly "not enough power"
123Chikadee:
@BadAlias: Oh, I butchered my argument, my bad. I meant that I believe that Peace Talks is gonna get so crazy that the masquerade is gonna get broken. All those humans could eventually at some point be what makes the Paranet so powerful, as many humans could want their help as opposed to the White Council. Maybe eventually its the Paranet that replaces the White Council. At first I thought PT was the beginning of the masquerade breaking but then Butcher brought out 'Christmas Eve' and those numbers made me rethink that.
Hm, well those all good points about the Accords. Maybe Elaine will display enough power to get the Paranet recognized and Harry would probably be pretty willing to help out with that.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: 123Chikadee on October 18, 2019, 01:03:49 AM ---@BadAlias: Oh, I butchered my argument, my bad. I meant that I believe that Peace Talks is gonna get so crazy that the masquerade is gonna get broken.
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Too soon based on the books he still has to write :)
--- Quote ---All those humans could eventually at some point be what makes the Paranet so powerful, as many humans could want their help as opposed to the White Council. Maybe eventually its the Paranet that replaces the White Council. At first I thought PT was the beginning of the masquerade breaking but then Butcher brought out 'Christmas Eve' and those numbers made me rethink that.
Hm, well those all good points about the Accords. Maybe Elaine will display enough power to get the Paranet recognized and Harry would probably be pretty willing to help out with that.
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No way. If the council recognises individual wizards with their retainers as accord members every warlock under pressure is going to try that. Kemmler would have been a member. The council will claim her and she gets a grey cloack and no other members will complain so she better keeps her head low.
Avernite:
Good points there - somehow, the White Council must have wriggled their way into recognition of their 'claim' to all human wizards, even if we have no specifics. But then, so too a Wamp in need can't just go off and cry to the accords if Papa Raith is being mean.
I think the key item, again, is power. 3 other members must recognise a new Accords member, and the Accords allow for war - so if 3 members sign up a Warlock, that's 3 members who are on the Council's kill-list. For one Warlock, that's a damned bad trade.
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