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Some thoughts on Stormfront

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Mira:

--- Quote from: morriswalters on October 03, 2019, 08:46:38 PM ---In what book does it explicitly or otherwise attribute Victor Sells as a nemfection?  In Proven Guilty Harry attributes Sells to the Black Council.  In the exchange between Harry and Rashid in Turn Coat Sells isn't mentioned and in Cold Days Rashid says, in the last couple of years, and Sells is ten or more years back.

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   If I remember correctly Sells was a guy with some talent..  However no formal training or guidance, experimenting with that talent,  as we know by now is almost always the quick road to warlockhood...  Apparently according to Monica, he lost his job and bought some books on magic,  we are not talking Harry Potter books.  From them he began to enhance his talent, bought more darker books, was able eventually to call up a demon, make Three Eye, and with the help of an electric storm and a sex orgy remotely rip people's hearts from their chests...  I doubt that he was infected, he was just a poor slob with magical talent that made some very bad choices.

Yuillegan:
Morris - Explicitly, in Cold Days. Lily (Summer Lady) tells Dresden about Nemesis, and tells him of his first three cases and confirms it.

The Nemesis part is generally accepted to be factual - as every being that knows of it that Dresden encounters confirms it's existence one way or another.

Many believe that Maeve lied to Lily, and therefore the information is compromised. Personally, there is no valid reason that I have yet heard why she would lie. Nemesis, and indeed Maeve, gain no benefit from lying about those cases.

But I am always open to theories.

Mira - you are pretty much right about what Sells was. However, none of that disproves him as being infected. The statement from Lily was "It changes that which ought not to change. It destroys a father's love for his family by twisting it into maniacal ambition." She is directly talking about Sells. Everyone always assumes Nemesis allows some big magic change, like allowing Fae to lie. But changing someone's love and turning it into something evil, something terrible like horrible ambition is pretty bad right on its own.

kbrizzle:
@Yuillegan & Con
I believe Outsiders were involved in Stormfront - just not in the form of Nfection. Sells’ magical knowledge was extremely patchy - very poor in some basic areas but fairly advanced in others.
Molly herself tells Harry in PG that she looked for magical books & people in the know for a couple of years unsuccessfully. Harry despite being a trained wizard for almost 2 decades at this point still needs Bob to help with potions, yet Sells in 3-4 years is mass manufacturing 3Eye? This screams of a sponsor - someone with a large library of magical books & a need of a magical enforcer - Lord Raith, who has strong connections to Outsiders.

@Vodyanoy
Where are you getting the notion that Bianca’s employee was killed by someone Nfected? I thought StF strongly implies & GP outright says that Bianca killed her own employee after Harry leaves her place in StF because Harry’s actions “mandated it”.

@Mira
That’s true on the surface, but reading between the lines, it would seem that the White Court is involved. Sells was working for a company called SilverCo (which follows the naming conventions for Raith business concerns); he used sex rituals to power his spells; he was clearly being guided/ groomed by someone higher up in the food chain - if you think about it, his main enemies are Marcone & later Harry - 2 people who would be the largest obstacles to power in taking control of Chicago (except for, of course the Raiths).

Yuillegan:
Kbrizzle - no reason he couldn't be nfected AND sponsored by Lord Raith or some such person (like Cowl). His level of ability and knowledge is unusual although some of that may also be down to Jim being a novice writer and not everything being fully fleshed out. He even talks about this in relation to veils in Fool Moon. But yeah, someone definitely helped Sells out. Cowl fits the bill better in some ways, he has a history of giving tainted gifts...and creating lackeys. But probably Cowl and Raith are working together at least somewhat...so perhaps it is both.

Bianca did kill her own employee...hence her rage. Vodyanoy is wrong.

morriswalters:

--- Quote from: Yuillegan on October 04, 2019, 02:07:16 AM ---Morris - Explicitly, in Cold Days. Lily (Summer Lady) tells Dresden about Nemesis, and tells him of his first three cases and confirms it.

The Nemesis part is generally accepted to be factual - as every being that knows of it that Dresden encounters confirms it's existence one way or another.

Many believe that Maeve lied to Lily, and therefore the information is compromised. Personally, there is no valid reason that I have yet heard why she would lie. Nemesis, and indeed Maeve, gain no benefit from lying about those cases.

But I am always open to theories.

Mira - you are pretty much right about what Sells was. However, none of that disproves him as being infected. The statement from Lily was "It changes that which ought not to change. It destroys a father's love for his family by twisting it into maniacal ambition." She is directly talking about Sells. Everyone always assumes Nemesis allows some big magic change, like allowing Fae to lie. But changing someone's love and turning it into something evil, something terrible like horrible ambition is pretty bad right on its own.

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Lily had no certain knowledge other than what Maeve might have told her.  And Maeve was nemfected by a known vector.  Victor Sells can be accounted for by the damaging affect of Black Magic.  The FBI agents by the effects of the hexen wolf belts and so on.  Harry actually suggests the Black Council as the behind the scenes operators in Proven Guilty.

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