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Did Kemmler start the Black Council?

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Con:
Theories in the title. We know from Luccio's short story Society of Thule is legit- As legit as any other Black Magic group.

So I wonder if thats not the only organisation Kemmler started or was a part of?

Did he start the Black Council? or the Circle as Cowl says in White Night.

Also if it is the Circle, does the Circle only have 13 members? Similar to the Grey Council. As Dresden says thats the biggest number a spell can have.

Also how does the Black Council/Circle relate to the Fomor, Corpsetaker. If Cowl is a member and he fought against Corpsetaker and Grevane, who were Kemmlers disciples.

Anything else on the Black Council and Circle feel free to discuss.

Yuillegan:
You know, I found that story quite illuminating. Lots of clues.

I suspect you are right, or at least, he is responsible for what led to the creation of the Black Court. I still think he is probably active and behind everything, but that is a quite crazy WAG with very little evidence :D

I don't think the Circle has only thirteen members, because in White Night I believe Vitto wished to be elevated to the Circle. I think it more like a magic cult myself.

Well, I think it relates because Cowl is a Heir of Kemmler, likes Corpsetaker. Beyond that connection, not so sure. As for the Fomor, I simply think they are another hungry Power that has been biding its time that has been energised by the real players. The ones stiring everything up. The Circle.

That's my take anyway.

Also - there is a clear link between the Denarians and the Thule Society. In Small Favor, the Denarians use a ritual to contain the Archive (Harry speculates that it was powered by Lucifer himself...). The symbol on each axis point of the five pointed star, is an bastardised symbol of magic like Harry's pentagram with the exception that the points of the star are NOT contained with in the circle. Harry compares it to the Anarchist symbol. He muses that it means Power without Limit or Restraint. Interestingly Thorned Namshiel, Tessa and the Red Horned demoness (I forget her name) are the sorcerers, and the ones Harry suspect of being involved with the Black Council (as opposed to Nicodemus).

In A Fistful of Warlocks the same symbol appears on the top of the building Kemmler is in. Food for thought.

Bad Alias:
I think the "anarchy" symbol is just a symbol with magical significance like pi is a symbol with mathematical significance. It doesn't mean that kids in geometry classes are in league with Einstein and Heisenberg.

I like the idea that the Circle has 13 members or, at least, factions. The Red Court was run by a King and the Lords of the Outer Night. The Lords numbered 13.

Because so many in the White Council were out of commission in Changes, we can't be sure that there are/were only 13 members.

It's my opinion that the Black Council is a wizard's only affair that is a subset of the Circle, or there isn't a Black Council because the whole point of the term is that it's a bunch of black magic wizards running around causing trouble. I think of the Circle as an evil supernatural Chamber of Commerce. Just because members have shared goals doesn't mean that they also don't compete with one another.

spiritofair:
I just can't believe Kemmler is dead. The guy could jump bodies like Corpsetaker.  But, I don't know where he would have went.  Dumorne just seems too easy. And, also, why was he laying so low for so long.

And, who is Cowl? If it's Dumorne, then Dumorne isn't Kemmler, because he would have known all of that stuff already.  But he's got to be someone we or Harry know, otherwise, why the hood?  Simon Petrovich?  I can't believe it's Ebenezer.  Does he wear the cowl because he is undead?  A weakened Kemmler?

So many questions!!!

Bad Alias:
His arms are scarred.

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