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"At last the masquerade ends! Kill them! Kill them /all/!"
g33k:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on September 10, 2019, 10:43:32 PM --- ... I'm not sure I'd say he was possessed by Nemesis ...
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Lash -- in her few moments between flipping onto Team Dresden, and taking the psychic bullet -- specifically ID'ed Vito as being possessed by an outsider. We don't really know which, but I think we can take her ID as definitive, and her loyalty in that scene as a truth (even though we know JB is a lying liar who would lie to his own Mama if he thought it'd mess with the fans).
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: g33k on September 11, 2019, 09:42:31 PM ---Lash -- in her few moments between flipping onto Team Dresden, and taking the psychic bullet -- specifically ID'ed Vito as being possessed by an outsider. We don't really know which, but I think we can take her ID as definitive, and her loyalty in that scene as a truth (even though we know JB is a lying liar who would lie to his own Mama if he thought it'd mess with the fans).
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Sure, but I'm one of those folks that thinks that the corruption mentioned in Cold Days isn't exclusive to Nemesis. I think it's inherent to outsider magic, and Nemesis can peak in on folks and potentially stoke the corruption, but it's not him/her/it. So I can see where Vitto was possessed by a generic outsider, which corrupted him, and allowed for the twisted loyalties we've attributed to Nemesis.
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: peregrine on September 07, 2019, 04:39:02 AM ---Because if Harry and Carlos roll up to a cave full of dead vampires and full ghouls, we don't get the big impressive wizard duel.
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Yes to this.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 07, 2019, 12:44:27 PM ---The attack happened when it was supposed to happen. The phrasing makes sense if you posit that the timing was prearranged. The attack was to go off at some arbitrary time. Since Vittorio would have no idea when everyone would be at the party, he set a time that would give them time to gather. Madrigals death had nothing to do with it.
And what peregrine said.
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Yes to this.
--- Quote from: Kindler on September 09, 2019, 02:42:44 PM ---It makes sense, if you think about it. Papa Raith's magic resistance has long been speculated to originate from a pact with or sponsorship from Outsiders, right? Lara...subjugated him, so Outsiders don't have de facto control over the Whte Court any longer. They wanted their toys back, or, if they couldn't have them, they wanted to break them so nobody else could, either.
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Yes, to this.
--- Quote from: g33k on September 10, 2019, 03:24:40 AM ---It's interesting also that Harry reveals the "cull the herd" plan to have been Lara's all along -- though apparently versions of it are known for centuries -- but the Outsiders don't enact ANY plan to move against the WC until Lara takes Papa Raith away from the Outsiders (if that's what actually happened, of course).
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--- Quote from: peregrine on September 10, 2019, 05:06:58 AM ---Depends on what you mean by the plan being "hers." It's entirely possible that while she gave the idea to the other two, she didn't specifically want to implement it. Just that she gave the other guys a bad idea to play them.
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Yes to this.
--- Quote from: forumghost on September 10, 2019, 10:19:22 PM ---That was certainly my interpretation.
"These idiots are a threat to me. I'll give them a dumb-guy-dumb-plan, buy some popcorn, and watch as Dresden Dresden's them" was probably her real plan.
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Yes to this; and I like the way you put that.
Wow! I must be in a very agreeable mood today. I better not go near anyone I know who likes to borrow money. Not today, and maybe not the rest of the week.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Kindler on September 09, 2019, 02:42:44 PM ---It makes sense, if you think about it. Papa Raith's magic resistance has long been speculated to originate from a pact with or sponsorship from Outsiders, right? Lara...subjugated him, so Outsiders don't have de facto control over the White Court any longer. They wanted their toys back, or, if they couldn't have them, they wanted to break them so nobody else could, either.
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My only objection to this line of thinking is that Papa Raith has probably not been acting in the Outsider's best interest since Mama Dresden cursed him, so why wait 30 years to make a move?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on September 13, 2019, 04:06:38 PM ---My only objection to this line of thinking is that Papa Raith has probably not been acting in the Outsider's best interest since Mama Dresden cursed him, so why wait 30 years to make a move?
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Because the apocalypse is near. More and more things happen now and in the near future.
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