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How did the Red Court Originate?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on October 06, 2019, 10:39:47 PM ---LoON are not in fact, Elder Gods. They are hinted at being very old Vampires feeding on some other dark gods that they imprisoned. They did probably not knowing Winter's importance...although one wonders if that would even have stopped Winter fulfilling its duties. Hampered certainly, as they would be limited in replacing troops, but they could just continue operations from their side of the Never-never.
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Directly contradicted by vadderung himself in Changes:
--- Quote ---"What you must understand is that you face beings such as I in this battle."
I frowned. "You mean . . . gods?"
"Mostly retired gods, at any rate," Vadderung said. "Once, entire civilizations bowed to them. Now they are venerated by only a handful, the power of their blood spread out among thousands of offspring. But in the Lords of Outer Night, even the remnants of that power are more than you can face as you are."
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The mayan gods still have a considerable following but as far as I know do not get human sacrifices anymore.
Yuillegan:
Arjan see the parameters papers for what I am referring to.
They are God's, but not Elder God's. A small but important distinction. They inherited their power from the real thing, and usurped their position.
morriswalters:
Are the Paranet Papers canon?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on October 07, 2019, 02:12:59 PM ---Are the Paranet Papers canon?
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Depends who you ask. I see them as valuable but not necessarily true. They are basically stories written down by Harry's friends. The story about the red courts origin might not be true.
dspringer1:
We know very little about the origin of Red Court.
We know the original group of red court vampires was very small - but not one person. It was stated that most of the red court was descended from the Red King, but clearly some were "not of the blood". Although I suppose there could have been an originator red court vamp that died and his first children split into bloodlines. Hard to tell.
We know from the statements of Karin when a Knight (aka - an archangel speaking using her voice) that the Red Court in some way usurped the true gods who once operated in this area. Not clear if they seemly assumed the identity or consumed the old gods or something else. But whatever they did really pissed off the archangel.
It is not clear if individuals closer (blood wise) to the Red King are more powerful than vampires with more intermediate vampires in their bloodline (aka - more generations in between). All we know is that the Red King was the most powerful of the Red Court Vamps.
We know that older vampires sometimes lose control as it was stated in changes. Presumably this puts some cap on the max possible age of a vampire before they lose control. But details were pretty skimpy.
We have the WOJ that speaks to the origin of the red court, but that is more allegory than something filled with specific details.
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