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What does Kringle know that Nicodemus doesn't?

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CrusherJen:

--- Quote from: g33k on August 14, 2019, 02:34:57 AM ---Odin is one of those big-time Old God's.  He even died for his knowledge.  The chance that Death-god Hades and Died-god Odin are unacquainted is nil.

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Someone had to have tipped off Hades before the heist went down. He showed no surprise that Harry was in the vault, and already knew a lot about him before they met. Sure, it could have been Mab, but I really like the idea of Odin and Hades chatting through some sort of Old Gods' Network.

Kindler:
I think we'll find out a lot more in Body Slam, which I assume will be chock full of gods from several pantheons.

Avernite:
I do think the plot was ultimately Mab's.
The symmetry of Nic having to lose his daughter has to appeal to a vengeful, angry, bereaved Mab who has just lost one of her daughters (and all but lost the other).
However, Mab could not have DONE it. She indeed needed Kringle/Odin/Santa/Vadderung to coordinate with the other pieces in place. And of course, she needed Harry to do the job.

But ultimately, Mab is the one who puts real resources (i.e. Harry) on the line, while the rest only put trifles in (or in Hades' case, things meant to be put out there); Marcone cares for his people, sure, but it's not like his key pawns were in play; and Odin only shared some advice.

What is an open question to me is, however, how Uriel fits in. Was he running his own plot, because he literally has power and foresight beyond any of them? We know he is a spook one level up from Anduriel (Archangel versus Angel), and Anduriel is almost on the level with Vadderung, so that seems possible.

And if he wasn't but was just part of the plot, which of the plotters knew how to get in touch with him? Would Vadderung be mortal-enough to hang with him without cosmic consequences? Or is Mab close enough to his job description to be able to deal with him?

Or is Harry, as Uriel's mortal 'pawn' a sufficient interface?

Con:
Mac, as a rule, rarely uttered multi-syllables. Today, he said, “May your scales always return to balance.” Her mouth quirked at the corner and she said, “Flatterer.”

Butcher, Jim. Skin Game (The Dresden Files, Book 15) (pp. 370-371). Little, Brown Book Group. Kindle Edition

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--- Quote from: Avernite on August 15, 2019, 07:44:37 PM ---I do think the plot was ultimately Mab's.
The symmetry of Nic having to lose his daughter has to appeal to a vengeful, angry, bereaved Mab who has just lost one of her daughters (and all but lost the other).

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I think Uriel was trying to save Harry's soul as much as he was Nicodemus or the Squires. It's sort of an undercurrent through out the whole book. Murphy and Butters have a deep conversation to that effect. Michael's chat with Harry is also almost entirely about it. Plus Harry becomes a Real Father by the end of it.

Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: Con on August 16, 2019, 07:50:47 AM ---Mab and Butters have a deep conversation to that effect.

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I'm guessing you mean with Harry, not each other?

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