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Proven Guilty speculation, because, why not?
g33k:
Dunno, man.
This quote seems to imply that the Ladies have out-smarted Mab on the "cunning manipulations" front. Freaking MAB.
I'm not buying that.
Of course... given that Mab was apparently right there all along, hidden beside Lea, it's equally possible that the plan went off mostly as the Maeve&Lily wanted it to... which was, in most regards, ALSO mostly as Mab wanted it to.
I'm still noticing that, even if Mab wasn't expecting the Summerfire (per nadia's WoJ), she DID still get a big ol' pile of Starborn magic funneled into the Winterwell, which wouldn't exactly have helped Nemesis find its Happy Place...
--- Quote from: morriswalters on June 25, 2019, 11:16:24 PM ---... Edit
Just because, note that Mother Winter, Mab, and Maeve are referred to as the three queens.
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OK... but in what context?
I mean, yes they're Winter's three Queens. But which "referral" am I to look at/for?
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---Are you sure?
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Here is the entire (long) WoJ, straight from the WoJ compilation that you can access via the link on Jim's website. The important bit is in bold.
--- Quote ---Mab as orchestrator of all is just a little much for me to swallow. Seems like she loses a lot more than she gains, and I don’t think Mab is big on coming out behind in her negotiations.
Jim: Yeah. It sure looks that way from here, don’t it. :)
But to correct some minor stuff: the fetches aren’t even /close/ to her strongest servitors. They’re her couriers, harassers, spies and occasional assassins. Captain Kudzu was a being that was deemed more-or-less sufficient on the badassometer, but nothing to write home about. The fetches main use, to Mab, isn’t as battlefield thugs. She’s got /plenty/ of other things for that. Another mild correction: who says Mab /lost/ the battle at Arctis Tor, before Harry and Company arrived? At the end of the day, the Winter Queen was still in her fortress–but you didn’t see anyone standing around assaulting the place, did ya. :) Also, it has probably occurred to more than one of you that if Mab was /really/ in trouble, she could have had the entire military might of Faerie back at the fortress in moments–exactly the way they *did* come back when Harry smacked the Winter Well with the fires of Summer.
(Which goes to show that while Mab may be canny to an inhuman degree, she isn’t infallible. Just way closer to infallible than us.)
See above regarding “the question is *why*?”
Ask yourself why Mab had Molly brought in. What chain of events did that set in motion? What secondary effects came about because of it? Ultimately, Mab can always go to the Wyld and draw in more muscle to replace fallen thugs. If worst comes to worst, with just a few “seed” fae, she could rear up enough Changelings to repopulate her cadre within a human generation or two–nothing, to a being thousands of years old.
As far as she’s concerned, everyone and everything is expendable, including herself, when it comes to adhering to her (seemingly irrational and inexplicable) priorities.
(And by the way–don’t think Titania is much better. When push came to shove, she let her own daughter be murdered rather than upset the balance of the Faerie Courts. At least Mab is up front about it. Usually.)
Sacrifice her best troops? Mab would sacrifice every creature *in* Winter, every one she could bring from Summer, and every single mortal on planet Earth if that’s what she thought was appropriate. And she wouldn’t even need to add extra sugar to her cup of tea afterwards, much less lose sleep over it.
But no one does cold-blooded like the Queen of Winter. Mab’s been in the business a long time, she’s got a balance sheet, and she is *not* going to come out in the red–
–unless, of course, she really *has* stripped a gear, as Lily and Maeve believe. In which case there’s a stark raving bonkers demigoddess whose powers are no longer being held in check by the Escher-esque code of Sidhe behavior. And that’s all kinds of bad.
But hey. It’s probably not that. I mean, not *everything* that happens can be the absolute worst possible possibility, right?
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morriswalters:
--- Quote from: g33k ---OK... but in what context?
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--- Quote from: Harry ---“She couldn’t have altered the flow of time at the heart of Winter,” I said quietly. “Only one of the Winter Queens could do that.”
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--- Quote from: g33k ---'m still noticing that, even if Mab wasn't expecting the Summerfire (per nadia's WoJ), she DID still get a big ol' pile of Starborn magic funneled into the Winterwell, which wouldn't exactly have helped Nemesis find its Happy Place...
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It appears to me that it, in fact, it almost did let Nemesis find it's happy space.
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on June 26, 2019, 06:28:45 AM ---It appears to me that it, in fact, it almost did let Nemesis find it's happy space.
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Do you mean by almost releasing nemfected Lea? I don't think Mab would have allowed that to happen.
--- Quote from: g33k on June 26, 2019, 02:55:43 AM ---Dunno, man.
This quote seems to imply that the Ladies have out-smarted Mab on the "cunning manipulations" front. Freaking MAB.
I'm not buying that.
Of course... given that Mab was apparently right there all along, hidden beside Lea, it's equally possible that the plan went off mostly as the Maeve&Lily wanted it to... which was, in most regards, ALSO mostly as Mab wanted it to.
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You are both right and wrong at the same time. The Ladies did not out-smart Mab. In fact, you could say THEY didn't do anything, the Adversary did. Poor Lily thought she was a becoming a real power player, when in fact she was just an easily manipulated puppet. Maeve was pulling her strings and Maeve in turn was run by the Adversary. Maeve's entire motivation was to screw over her Mom for past grievances, so she went along with the Adversary's plan. If it had just been Maeve and Lily working together on their own I doubt they would have been much of a challenge for Mab to outmaneuver.
I think it's only in Cold Days when Maeve put her own spin on the Adversary's orders by killing Lily in order to both remove her possible replacement and take Sarissa away from Mab.
morriswalters:
Thus the use of almost.
I'll make an observation. The only chance Harry had against the eldest fetch was the Summer Fire he used. His own fire spell wasn't working. Did Mab intend for Harry to die?
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