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Proven Guilty speculation, because, why not?
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on June 20, 2019, 02:44:27 AM ---I do not think it's reasonable to claim that faeries are the only beings capable of using illusion magic without detection.
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--- Quote from: morriswalters on June 20, 2019, 04:22:30 PM ---Ok,who?
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If the party doing the magic is someone who we didn't see in Proven Guilty, but we will learn about in a time travel story, a good candidate would be Mavra. She's very good at veils. We learned this from the way she took pictures of Murphy killing the Reinfield in Blood Rites. She would have been within 10-15 feet from Harry and the Hellhound, and neither one of them had a clue.
Now Bob doesn't think Mavra is capable of creating a fine thrall; assuming that's what Sandra Marling was, someone who wouldn't even know they are a thrall, but what if Bob is wrong? It wouldn't be the first time.
Another possibility; but one which too little is known to put together a detailed description of, is there is more than one party at work in Proven Guilty, maybe several. Each could be acting for their own reasons. For example, Mavra was trying to corrupt Molly, but Maeve was the one summoning the Fetches. We already know there was a Denarian assault on Arctis Tor which probably took place sometime before events in the novel started, but it's why Mab was inside when Harry got there. I'm not saying it was a Denarian a Splattercon, I'm just saying things are complicated to the point where a simple explanation, meaning a single actor was responsible, might not be the best one.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: g33k on June 24, 2019, 06:34:37 AM ---I'm gonna jump in with the claim that the fetches were there on Mab's behest, or maybe Lea-as-Mab's-Right-Hand.
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Lea's in jail.
Consider the series of events. If Nelson doesn't go to jail, Harry never gets the call, no call and he gets to see LC blow up in his face, since when Molly calls he is getting ready to use it. As coincidences go this is a big one. And conveniently there is a cop just outside the bathroom when Pell gets his beating. Harry even calls it out.
--- Quote ---It looked like I’d found the black magic the Gatekeeper warned me about. Just as well that I hadn’t tried the dangerous spell with Little Chicago.
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Attack two is clumsy, the summoner kills the light with some kind of spell which sounds a lot like myrk and uses a ward to slow Harry down. And they have to dash when Harry gets in the room. Almost like it was improvised just to impress Harry. ;)
The third attack will kill the lights and alarms mechanically, but no ward and no myrk.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---I gave you the quote.
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I'm not arguing. Your interpretation makes perfect sense, probably more than mine--it had just never occurred to me before.
--- Quote ---If Nelson doesn't go to jail, Harry never gets the call, no call and he gets to see LC blow up in his face, since when Molly calls he is getting ready to use it. As coincidences go this is a big one.
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This coincidence always struck me as one similar to the coincidences the Knights of the Cross get, especially in light of Harry's leap of faith at the end of the book.
g33k:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on June 24, 2019, 12:54:25 PM ---Lea's in jail.
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Right you are.
So... Mab. I feel like my basic "Why Mab" argument isn't affected by Lea being available (or not) as Mab's agent.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on June 24, 2019, 12:54:25 PM ---Consider the series of events. If Nelson doesn't go to jail, Harry never gets the call, no call and he gets to see LC blow up in his face, since when Molly calls he is getting ready to use it. As coincidences go this is a big one.
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Again, Mab. The Nevernever-side of the Harry's lab is Lea's deathgarden. And Mab was running Lea's "protect Harry" chores, in-loco-godparentis.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: g33k on June 24, 2019, 07:48:56 PM ---Right you are.
So... Mab. I feel like my basic "Why Mab" argument isn't affected by Lea being available (or not) as Mab's agent.
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You do realize that my post doesn't disagree with you about the first attack?
--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge ---Another possibility; but one which too little is known to put together a detailed description of, is there is more than one party at work in Proven Guilty, maybe several.
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Two as I see it. Mab and the Adversary represented by his allies.
And we know a lot, but only in hindsight.
Who is manipulating Lily? Maeve. And we know now that this was the first step in her Mab is crazy campaign.
Who is manipulating Maeve? The Adversary.
What group is at least a fellow traveler with the Adversary? The Black Council. Whose existence is deduced in the recap.
That something exists that can possess the second most powerful person in faerie.
That Rashid has it within his power to use the gate to watch events unfold in the world including acts of Black Magic.
That Mab has been watching both Harry and Molly. Perhaps since Death Masks.
Maybe why Arctis Tor was attacked.
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