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Further proof that black magic is connected to Outsiders
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on June 05, 2019, 08:26:40 PM ---1. Same.
2. I'm not sure Vaderrung/Odin is a god because he's not immortal (or maybe immortal isn't an element of godhood?).
3. I think it is generally agreed by most of us here that all six Queens are Hecate in some manner.
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Vaderrung isn't immortal? Is that somewhere in the text that I missed? Even Kringle says something along the lines of, "I LOVE Halloween!" in Cold Days, which I took as a reference to the fact that the risk of death made it more exciting.
Bad Alias:
Odin isn't immortal because he gave that up to be able to interfere in mortal affairs. He took on the Kringle mantle to get around the problem of aging. None of this is in the text or inferred from it. It's all from Jim. I think he has talked about it several times. So he isn't immortal as Odin, but is as Kringle, or something. Honestly, I'm not sure how that works.
g33k:
--- Quote from: kbrizzle on June 07, 2019, 02:09:48 AM --- ... @g33k
... To answer your question about Mab’s succession - yes Molly becomes WQ while the WL mantle moves to the closest ‘like’ vessel. This is clearly inefficient as evidenced by Lily becoming SL even though she doesn’t really want to.
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We've seen Ladies ascend thrice now, I think...
* Aurora --> Lily
* Maeve --> Molly
* Lily --> SarissaThey were... very different events. But I don't think "efficiency" (or the desires of the recipients) is terribly relevant.
Lily was half-fae, and had just been holding the S.Knight-mantle, and so was the obvious "Summer power" target for becoming the S.Lady. It was implied (but iirc never stated as "fact" by any bound-not-to-lie fae!) that this was just kind of automatic flow-of-power: like to like, Summer power into a Summer vessel.
Sarissa was a faerie, already being groomed as W.Lady, when the S.Lady mantle was abruptly re-homed. It was a chaotic situation, and possibly there were no other options; but I wouldn't have expected a Winter vessel to become a home for Summer power; I wouldn't have thought it COULD happen. But... no other options?
Molly was (as best we know (and imagine the WAGs there!)) purely mortal, with the totality of her "fairy-ness" being the year or so of Lea's tutoring her while Harry was "dead". She had evidently been being groomed as a just-in-case backup to Sarissa's presumptive WL-ification, so there was some pre-planning, but we don't know how much ritual/etc may have happened offscreen; was it all REALLY just Lea's teaching??? Molly doesn't seem a likely "vessel" for any Faerie-Queen's mantle!
Speaking of that Sarissa+Molly dual-ascent, here's a bit of a WAG, based upon Mab... Mab is the consummate plotter & manipulator. Secretly planning a backup WL-candidate? Yeah, fine, sure, whatever; but having a backup plan for something critical is... kind of Junior League, as scheming & subtle plans go! What if Mab figured Maeve as likely to mess with Sarissa's WL-ness, and Molly had become Mab's PRIMARY plan for WL, not a "backup" at all? What if Sarissa became SL because Mab had planned it that way? I mean... Maeve murders Lily, SL mantle needs a home, whatcha gonna do? Well, Sarissa... but she's a Winter-Court Faerie, Mab's own daughter, and about as unlikely a Summer Vessel as can be imagined! OTOH, there's this other chick: Molly, human but with bits of faerie training & some potential to become a Lady, and REALLY, more of a "Summer" disposition than "Winter" in her core... we KNOW she is a viable Lady-candidate because she became a Lady moments later!!! So why didn't the SL mantle go to Molly? Because of Mab. Because Mab set things up for Sarissa to become Summer Lady when Maeve pulled her power-play. Mab has little to no power over Summer's mantles, but LOADS of influence upon Sarissa.
Here endeth my WAG.
But on a side-note... we've seen an awful lot of new Ladies. I had understood this was a rare-ish event. There have actually been more new Ladies than new Knights, and that seems very out-of-line for how the Mother/Queen/Lady/Knight structures are supposed to work...
But then, we don't have ANY examples of the Queens' ascensions, those She's who Are. I agree that what we DO know sort of implies that Lady --> Queen is the normal path; hence, Molly is presumably in line to replace Mab. But do we actually know?
Bad Alias:
Sarissa was a changeling, half-fae as you say. Jim has said Lily became wholly mortal because she became the Summer Knight. I think there has been equivocation on that point though.
Didn't one or both Mothers expressly state that Maeve would become Winter Queen if Mab died? Or about as close as they come to explicitly stating anything. Also didn't Mab say who she intended for what role?
morriswalters:
I believe that Lily became the Summer Lady not Knight. ;)
--- Quote ---Didn't one or both Mothers expressly state that Maeve would become Winter Queen if Mab died?
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Mother Summer in Chapter 33 of Cold Days.
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