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I think Murphy is going to get killed here is why
huangjimmy108:
--- Quote from: forumghost on June 05, 2019, 01:42:13 PM ---Last I checked being a Wizard doesn't magically (heh) negate decades worth of abandonment issues, guilt complexes, and self-depreciation, so what the heck are you on about?
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A wizard is a wise man, not just some spellslinger. A wizard is expected to understand matters, not brute force things which is Harry often do during the early series.
To understand oneself and to understand others and ultimately to understand the universe. That is what wizards are. Casting spells is the least of a wizard's role. Wisdom and intelligence is the main portion.
Making a mistake is not a sin , but not learning from those mistake defenitely is a sin. That is what the gatekeeper say in book 4.
If 6 years has gone by and Harry still can't recognize that Murphy is manipulating him, well, what is Harry been learning all this time? Not to mention that he is still get manipulated in book 14 in some people's opinion.
What kind of a stupid protagonist Harry is actually?
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---A wizard is a wise man, not just some spellslinger. A wizard is expected to understand matters,
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You mean, like understanding that when a woman takes off her clothes for you, she's hitting on you? Because as I recall, Harry didn't understand that one until it was pointed out to him.
--- Quote ---To understand oneself and to understand others and ultimately to understand the universe. That is what wizards are. Casting spells is the least of a wizard's role. Wisdom and intelligence is the main portion.
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I know that Harry goes on about this in Storm Front, but Jim has gone on record saying that he wrote Harry as the magical equivalent of a plumber, so I chalk it up to early installment weirdness.
--- Quote ---Making a mistake is not a sin , but not learning from those mistake defenitely is a sin. That is what the gatekeeper say in book 4.
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When did Harry not learn from his mistake? He hasn't let Murphy or any of his other allies hit him after Fool Moon--when she tried it (albeit under the influence of mind control) he defended himself and knocked her out.
--- Quote ---If 6 years has gone by and Harry still can't recognize that Murphy is manipulating him, well, what is Harry been learning all this time?
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I'll repeat myself. Murphy is not manipulating Harry for most of the books. She manipulated him in one to three of them. She definitely manipulated him in Storm Front--even Harry acknowledged that. She didn't manipulate him in Fool Moon--she assaulted him, which is a different thing. She didn't manipulate him in Grave Peril, Summer Knight, Death Masks, Blood Rites, Dead Beat, Proven Guilty, White Night, Small Favor, Turn Coat, Changes, or Ghost Story. I view her as manipulating Harry in Cold Days, but I have acknowledged that that is not what Jim intended. As a direct result of my interpretation of her behavior in Cold Days, I also believe that she manipulated Harry in Skin Game.
--- Quote ---Not to mention that he is still get manipulated in book 14 in some people's opinion.
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There's a quote from Murphy in Turn Coat that is appropriate here.
--- Quote ---"The reason treachery is so reveiled," she [Murphy] said in a careful tone of voice, "is because it usually comes from someone you didn't think could possibly do such a thing.”
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Harry is in a position to get manipulated by Murphy because it would never occur to him that she would do so. She's spent the last 11 books demonstrating that he could trust her.
huangjimmy108:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on June 19, 2019, 04:57:45 AM ---You mean, like understanding that when a woman takes off her clothes for you, she's hitting on you? Because as I recall, Harry didn't understand that one until it was pointed out to him.
I know that Harry goes on about this in Storm Front, but Jim has gone on record saying that he wrote Harry as the magical equivalent of a plumber, so I chalk it up to early installment weirdness.
When did Harry not learn from his mistake? He hasn't let Murphy or any of his other allies hit him after Fool Moon--when she tried it (albeit under the influence of mind control) he defended himself and knocked her out.
I'll repeat myself. Murphy is not manipulating Harry for most of the books. She manipulated him in one to three of them. She definitely manipulated him in Storm Front--even Harry acknowledged that. She didn't manipulate him in Fool Moon--she assaulted him, which is a different thing. She didn't manipulate him in Grave Peril, Summer Knight, Death Masks, Blood Rites, Dead Beat, Proven Guilty, White Night, Small Favor, Turn Coat, Changes, or Ghost Story. I view her as manipulating Harry in Cold Days, but I have acknowledged that that is not what Jim intended. As a direct result of my interpretation of her behavior in Cold Days, I also believe that she manipulated Harry in Skin Game.
There's a quote from Murphy in Turn Coat that is appropriate here. Harry is in a position to get manipulated by Murphy because it would never occur to him that she would do so. She's spent the last 11 books demonstrating that he could trust her.
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Not understanding on the spot is a different thing from not able to understand even after 6 years. True, Thomas need to remind Harry about it, but given time Harry should be able to understand by himself. He would have lost the moment, but he should understand eventually. And by eventually I mean in a matter of days or at most weeks, not years.
This kind of thing happened in book 7. When Murphy first come to Harry and ask him to water her plants while she went with Kincaid to Hawaii, Harry just accepts it literally. Later on though, Harry himself realize that Murphy is trying to give him a chance. Had Harry try to stop her from going, there is a good chance Murphy might say yes. This kind of self understanding and realization is Harry's safing grace.
This is what I am trying to say. Harry is slow and he can make silly mistakes, but if 6 years pass and he is still clueless, it is too much already. His guilty complex and weakness to women can and probably will blind his judgement on occasion, but this lapse in judgement should be temporary. It definitely could not possibly last for 6 years.
So when book 8 comes along and Murphy say she had apologize for the events in Full Moon and Harry accepted it and even feel ashame for digging it up in an argument, then the matter should be settled as such. We don't really need to have the event shown to us on the books explicitly.
magnuskn:
--- Quote from: groinkick on May 02, 2019, 02:51:41 AM ---" In Norse mythology, the Valkyries were beautiful young women who served both as Odin's messengers and as escorts to the souls of warriors killed in battle. In fact, Valkyries means "choosers of the slain." During battle, they would ride upon winged horses and, surveying the field, select brave warriors to die. Then they would transport these souls to Valhalla, Odin's hall. Once in the afterlife, the brave souls were enlisted to fight in the battle of Ragnarok, an apocalyptic conflict signaling the end of the world."
I think that she will get killed, but not leave the stories. I think that she will die on the field of battle, and be raised, and empowered by Odin as one of his soldiers. Her youth, and health will be restored, plus enhanced speed, strength, and durability. She will give the Winter Knight a run for his money in pure hand to hand combat.
Come to think of it there could be other characters who have died that we might see later that were enlisted by Odin... Susan for example. Or Morgan... I mean anyone Jim decides to bring back now has a doorway since we know that Odin, and Valkyries exist.
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I said that two years ago. ^^
morriswalters:
Isn't Murphy a Catholic?
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