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I think Murphy is going to get killed here is why
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on June 19, 2019, 10:02:02 AM ---Isn't Murphy a Catholic?
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She is, and maybe she has a choice before her... To become a living Valkyrie or a spirit helping helping her father, or beyond to Judgement.. That is if she does die..
morriswalters:
Yeah I thought so. It Jim's book but, everything can't be fan service.
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on June 19, 2019, 11:51:49 AM ---Yeah I thought so. It Jim's book but, everything can't be fan service.
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Yeah, the problem gets to be a bit controversial... Murphy is a Catholic, but she isn't particularly religious, in other words how often have we read that she was attending Mass on Sunday or even religious holidays, I don't remember one... Unlike Michael, who does and even tried to get Harry to go with him.. But is that enough for her to go Valkyrie? Or since she has known all along that the likes of Gard exist and it didn't compromise her faith, she can rationalize that she can be a Valkyrie and remain in good standing with her religious choice? I guess what I am saying it could be offensive to some of Jim's readers but not to the character, Murphy..
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---Not understanding on the spot is a different thing from not able to understand even after 6 years. True, Thomas need to remind Harry about it, but given time Harry should be able to understand by himself. He would have lost the moment, but he should understand eventually. And by eventually I mean in a matter of days or at most weeks, not years.
This kind of thing happened in book 7. When Murphy first come to Harry and ask him to water her plants while she went with Kincaid to Hawaii, Harry just accepts it literally. Later on though, Harry himself realize that Murphy is trying to give him a chance. Had Harry try to stop her from going, there is a good chance Murphy might say yes. This kind of self understanding and realization is Harry's safing grace.
This is what I am trying to say. Harry is slow and he can make silly mistakes, but if 6 years pass and he is still clueless, it is too much already. His guilty complex and weakness to women can and probably will blind his judgement on occasion, but this lapse in judgement should be temporary. It definitely could not possibly last for 6 years.
So when book 8 comes along and Murphy say she had apologize for the events in Full Moon and Harry accepted it and even feel ashame for digging it up in an argument, then the matter should be settled as such. We don't really need to have the event shown to us on the books explicitly.
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I'm reasonably confident that I've said this already, but just in case, I'll say it again:
There are two arguments against this.
1) Harry blamed himself for Elaine for 10 years, even though that's definitely not his fault, and 10 years is definitely longer than 6 years. So Harry is absolutely capable of thinking something is his fault even thought it really isn't for 6 years.
2) Another reason he didn't realize that Murphy was in the wrong there was because he wasn't thinking about it in those 6 years. Here's an example. There's a math class I'm struggling a bit in, and when I have a test, I end up flunking. Only, plot twist, I actually got the math problems right. What really happened is that the teacher took an irrational dislike to my handwriting and decided to flunk me. When I get the test back, however, I'm uncertain enough of the subject matter that I assume that I genuinely flunked rather than that the teacher gave me the wrong grade. Now, fast forward 6 years, or you know what, fast forward only 1 year. I've been working on my math, and I'm much better now. If I was in that math class now, I would be confident of the material and would realize what the teacher had done. However, if someone said to me, "Hey, you're doing so well now, when just last year you flunked that test," my response would be, "Thanks, I am," rather than, "Well, actually the teacher flunked me for no reason." Unless someone shoved the test under my nose and made me go over all the problems individually, I would never realize that the teacher was the one at fault rather than me. This is because, having no reason to re-evaluate what had happened, I would just go with my initial evaluation. It doesn't mean that the same thing would happen to me now or in the future, and if it did I would realize it, but because I don't really think that much about the past incident, it just never really occurs to me that my original read on the situation could be wrong.
Mira:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on June 19, 2019, 02:04:52 PM ---I'm reasonably confident that I've said this already, but just in case, I'll say it again:
There are two arguments against this.
1) Harry blamed himself for Elaine for 10 years, even though that's definitely not his fault, and 10 years is definitely longer than 6 years. So Harry is absolutely capable of thinking something is his fault even thought it really isn't for 6 years.
2) Another reason he didn't realize that Murphy was in the wrong there was because he wasn't thinking about it in those 6 years. Here's an example. There's a math class I'm struggling a bit in, and when I have a test, I end up flunking. Only, plot twist, I actually got the math problems right. What really happened is that the teacher took an irrational dislike to my handwriting and decided to flunk me. When I get the test back, however, I'm uncertain enough of the subject matter that I assume that I genuinely flunked rather than that the teacher gave me the wrong grade. Now, fast forward 6 years, or you know what, fast forward only 1 year. I've been working on my math, and I'm much better now. If I was in that math class now, I would be confident of the material and would realize what the teacher had done. However, if someone said to me, "Hey, you're doing so well now, when just last year you flunked that test," my response would be, "Thanks, I am," rather than, "Well, actually the teacher flunked me for no reason." Unless someone shoved the test under my nose and made me go over all the problems individually, I would never realize that the teacher was the one at fault rather than me. This is because, having no reason to re-evaluate what had happened, I would just go with my initial evaluation. It doesn't mean that the same thing would happen to me now or in the future, and if it did I would realize it, but because I don't really think that much about the past incident, it just never really occurs to me that my original read on the situation could be wrong.
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Except even at this stage in the game Harry usually defers to Murphy's judgement... As to your example of your math test, I think of the over all consequences of the teacher failing you for penmanship... If the teacher didn't note on the exam as to why you failed, what was the point of failing you for bad penmanship? If it was just one test in many tests you had taken in the class and your over all grade wasn't in the balance, what you say makes sense. However say it was the final that the teach failed you on for penmanship... That failure dropped your over all grade considerably, that lower grade messed up your G.P.A. as a result you missed getting a scholarship or getting into the college you desired.. If you knew you had studied, if the teacher gave you no explanation for the failure, I bet you wouldn't be so accepting of the results... I also think you'd double check the results for any future test you were about to take..
Harry didn't blame Murphy, in his mind I think, because of the resulting slaughter in the police station that she paid a heavy enough price for her mistakes..
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