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I think Murphy is going to get killed here is why
Bad Alias:
And as for Murphy and her character flaws, I think she has improved a good deal over the series too. She's had some major setbacks, so some backsliding here and there is to be expected. (The nightmare attack, breaking the law in Blood Rights, being demoted in Proven Guilty, losing her job in Skin Game, discovering Dresden is almost certainly dead followed by the Fomor conflict, and the circumstances of Dresden's return).
Mira:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on June 04, 2019, 07:53:58 PM ---And as for Murphy and her character flaws, I think she has improved a good deal over the series too. She's had some major setbacks, so some backsliding here and there is to be expected. (The nightmare attack, breaking the law in Blood Rights, being demoted in Proven Guilty, losing her job in Skin Game, discovering Dresden is almost certainly dead followed by the Fomor conflict, and the circumstances of Dresden's return).
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Her one character flaw remains, when she thinks she is right, her mind closes up like a clam.. Harry completely trusts her judgement so he doesn't see it, love may have something to do with it.
Wolfeyes:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 04, 2019, 11:31:40 PM ---Her one character flaw remains, when she thinks she is right, her mind closes up like a clam.. Harry completely trusts her judgement so he doesn't see it, love may have something to do with it.
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Harry's been trusting his back to Murphy long before he realized he had feelings for her. It's not just love that makes him ask for Murphy to be there for him. He doesn't stop and really think of how his actions look in Cold Days until she spells it out for him. Nor in White Night does he start thinking of the hypocrisy in him railing on Molly for being impulsive with her power until she points out him lashing out with his powers and doing property damage, on top of scaring Molly with the face-melty fireball (aka, one of the factors that helps Harry realize the effects Lash is having on his head). It's that track history that gets him to bring her as his +1 on the Skin Game heist.
Murphy has flaws but Harry's faith in her isn't shown to be unfounded. She's not infallible but Butcher often uses her as Harry's soundboard and a counterpoint mouthpiece to some of his ideas because Harry misses things and other times she gives him a chance to articulate his thoughts. Harry doesn't blindly trust Michael or Father Forthill or Ebenezer either - he trusts them because their judgement often helps.
Unless Harry's really secretly in love with Michael too : P.
huangjimmy108:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on June 04, 2019, 07:53:58 PM ---And as for Murphy and her character flaws, I think she has improved a good deal over the series too. She's had some major setbacks, so some backsliding here and there is to be expected. (The nightmare attack, breaking the law in Blood Rights, being demoted in Proven Guilty, losing her job in Skin Game, discovering Dresden is almost certainly dead followed by the Fomor conflict, and the circumstances of Dresden's return).
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A character flaw is not that easy to conquer. It is almost like the concept of heart demon in Xianxia novels, anyone who is capable of truly conquering it might as well achieve Nirvana and ascend to heaven already.
If we want to find excuses to infer that Murphy is bac sliding, we can. If we want to find reasons why she is improving, we can. The same with Harry. It is highly subjective.
What I can't understand why when it comes to Murphy, people tends to ignore how Harry respond to it by the simple excuse of "Harry is having a guilt complex" or "Harry is weak to a female in general and to Murphy specifically"
Do you guys realize how much those assertions cheapens Harry's value. It makes Harry sounds like a hen pek loser of a weakling and an idiot too. In book 8, it is shown that Harry accepted Murphy's apology and acknowledge it. It even goes so far as Harry being ashame for digging the case up in argument. Six years has pass after the events in FM and people still think that Harry is unable to realize that he is unfairly treated because he is having a guilt complex. Hells bells!
Harry is a wizard, a freaking wise man. Where is his wisdom. Where is his self respect? Where is his intelligence? Being soft to females can't possibly go this far, can it?
It can be said that the series is about 90% from Harry's PoV. If we cheapens Harry that much, how does the value of the series becomes?
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---What I can't understand why when it comes to Murphy, people tends to ignore how Harry respond to it by the simple excuse of "Harry is having a guilt complex" or "Harry is weak to a female in general and to Murphy specifically"
Do you guys realize how much those assertions cheapens Harry's value. It makes Harry sounds like a hen pek loser of a weakling and an idiot too. In book 8, it is shown that Harry accepted Murphy's apology and acknowledge it. It even goes so far as Harry being ashame for digging the case up in argument. Six years has pass after the events in FM and people still think that Harry is unable to realize that he is unfairly treated because he is having a guilt complex. Hells bells!
Harry is a wizard, a freaking wise man. Where is his wisdom. Where is his self respect? Where is his intelligence? Being soft to females can't possibly go this far, can it?
It can be said that the series is about 90% from Harry's PoV. If we cheapens Harry that much, how does the value of the series becomes?
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So, wait, now Murphy is allowed to have character flaws but Harry isn't? Because that's what having this kind of guilt complex is for Harry. Murphy's arrogance manifests in her placing her judgement above other people's, and Harry's arrogance manifests in him blaming himself for everything--ie, his guilt complex. Personally, I find Harry's manifestation of arrogance far more likable (since, among other things, it is far less likely to hurt other people) than Murphy's, but I have never claimed that either of them having this character flaw somehow "cheapens" them!
You seem to be claiming that for Harry to have character flaws, or at least this character flaw, somehow invalidates both his entire character and the whole book series. That seems ridiculous to me, so perhaps I'm misunderstanding. Could you please clarify whether or not this is what you meant, and if not, what you did mean?
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