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kbrizzle:
Why Maggie was killed 3-4 years after she left Lord Raith is one of the reasons why I created this WAG about it being Nicodemus instead.

As Mr. Death points out, entropy curses don’t seem to need a location, but a target. When Emma is killed by the curse in BR, there is no way LR could have known that she was getting an Evian in the basement at that precise moment. There is also no way Nic could have known exactly where Harry & Susan were (they were in a car) when his entropy curse strikes.

While Maggie could have protected herself against such curses within thresholds & with wards, there is no way that protection could have been 24/7 - as morriswalters points out, she went to the Lincoln Memorial a few days before Harry’s birth.

However, it is the timing of the death that is important here - she dies right after giving birth to Harry, & she had enough time to level her death curse, meaning that the entropy curse wasn’t all that sudden.

Anduriel could have very easily figured out where & when Maggie was vulnerable, conveying the info to Nic for his entropy curse. Another WAG here - perhaps Nic wanted to kill her before she gave birth & if he was using corporate to juice up his curse, perhaps Uriel was able to make the curse hit after the birth. This would explain why he didn’t try to recruit Harry as a kid.

kbrizzle:

--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on April 29, 2019, 04:45:56 PM ---Devil's advocate again, I've heard a theory that part of the reason Nic was so willing to sacrifice her (without even trying a Squire first) was because he knew she was infected and it was the only way he knew to cure her. (In this theory, her love was too strong for Nemesis to corrupt, but it could have gotten to other things; and Nic is almost certainly planning a rescue mission now that she's free of Nemesis.)

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I hadn’t heard that one - it’s very interesting & could add a layer to why Mab wanted Nic to sacrifice his own daughter other than just punishment.

nadia.skylark:

--- Quote ---Another WAG here - perhaps Nic wanted to kill her before she gave birth & if he was using corporate to juice up his curse, perhaps Uriel was able to make the curse hit after the birth.
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Uriel might not have needed to interfere directly. The entropy curse basically has the effect of "make catastrophically bad things happen until the target dies" so I can see arranging for the "catastrophic thing" that kills her to be childbirth as well within TWG's coincidence-adjusting powers without need for anything special.

Still leaves the question of why Nic wanted to kill Harry before he was born, though, especially since when he does run into Harry he tries recruiting him.

(On a tangentially related note, have people noticed how much every Denarian except for Dierdre was working at cross purposes with regards to Harry in Death Masks? I mean, Nic wants to keep Harry uninvolved, or if not then to recruit him; Cassius deliberately involves him as a pawn; and Ursiel just tries to kill him apropos of nothing. It really demonstrates how spectacularly bad Denarians are at working together.)

kbrizzle:

--- Quote from: groinkick on April 29, 2019, 05:57:12 PM ---I'm of the opinion that none of the Fallen are Nemfected.  I don't even know if they could be.  I just think that there are two sides in this fight, and some of them have picked the side of the Old Ones, and Outsiders.  Remember Harry was promised by He Who Walks Before that if he joined them that he, and his loved ones would be protected from harm.

My belief is that the Black Council includes some of the Fallen and the idea is that they will be rulers along side the Old Ones in the new world order.

The only nemfected people I can be sure were infected have been Sidhe.  The FBI agents were corrupted but from the Wolf Belts which were just channeling dark magic much the same as a wizard going bad for doing the same thing.  Who besides the Sidhe can we say for certain have been effected by Nemesis?

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I had actually made a thread about a WAG I had about this topic a while back. My theory is that Nemesis is most effective on immortals since the greatest benefit it seems to confer in its inhabitants is the ability to deviate from their base nature (which cannot do since they don’t have free will). This would not be a major advantage to mortals who already have free will.

Regarding your second point about who all have been Nfected outside the Sidhe - good question. Here is my list of suspects:

* Ferrovax - a conjecture based on what the athame did to Lea
* Vittorio Malvora - how was he able to throw an enhanced, overpowered despair “spell” without being Nfected? And he was working with/ for Cowl who is known to be passing out Nfected items (athame)
* One of the Ortega’s in the RCV - likely Ariana
* Fomor - likely someone who is #2 or 3 in command but wants to move up

morriswalters:

--- Quote from: kbrizzle on April 30, 2019, 03:21:56 AM ---Why Maggie was killed 3-4 years after she left Lord Raith is one of the reasons why I created this WAG about it being Nicodemus instead.

As Mr. Death points out, entropy curses don’t seem to need a location, but a target. When Emma is killed by the curse in BR, there is no way LR could have known that she was getting an Evian in the basement at that precise moment. There is also no way Nic could have known exactly where Harry & Susan were (they were in a car) when his entropy curse strikes.
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Let me clear some brush away.   Either the curse has to follow a link, blood or something on that line, or the caster needs to know where and when. Andurial could have known exactly where Harry and Susan were, assuming they cast shadows. That is established in Skin Game. I'm assuming in the case of Maggie's death that the link was Thomas.  Here is my support for that position.
--- Quote from: Harry in Proven Guilty ---“Because…” I frowned. “Uh…” I looked up at Charity for a moment. Actually, there was a magical connection between parents and children. A strong one. My mother had worked a spell linked to Thomas and me that would confirm to us that we were brothers. The connection had been established, even though she had been the only common parent between us. The blood connection was the deepest known to magic. “It might work,” I said quietly. I thought about it some more and breathed, “Stars and stones, not just work. Actually, for this spell, it might work better.”
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I'm also assuming that the link was how she cursed Raith.  We have also established canon that the Sidhe are able to shield people from tracking spells.  As demonstrated in Turn Coat, Summer hides Morgan in just that fashion.

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