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Harry's pain-blocking stunt
Sanctaphrax:
Alright, here's a list of existing approaches. Off the top of my head, so probably not complete.
1. A character Aspect.
2. A temporary Aspect, created through a spell or a mundane maneuver.
3. Extra consequences from a stunt like No Pain No Gain.
4. Less harmful consequences from a stunt like Unshakable.
5. The Feel No Pain custom Power.
6. A stunt letting you use Conviction or Discipline for your physical stress track.
7. Inhuman Toughness with an appropriate Catch.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---1. A character Aspect.
2. A temporary Aspect, created through a spell or a mundane maneuver.
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I'm trying to come up with something that doesn't require you to spend a load of fate points, so aspects are out.
--- Quote ---3. Extra consequences from a stunt like No Pain No Gain.
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Good idea. What kind of extra consequences (as in mild/moderate/severe, and should there be multiples)
--- Quote ---4. Less harmful consequences from a stunt like Unshakable.
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I don't think I've seen this stunt. Would you be able to either post it here or direct me to where I can find it?
--- Quote ---5. The Feel No Pain custom Power.
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This power explicitly says you "suffer no stress from attacks based on pain." This seemed overpowered to me, since most of the damage that I understand stress to represent (bruises, minor cuts) would, in my opinion, qualify as attacks based on pain. After all, if they're not hurting, they rarely interfere with your actions. Also, what "attacks based on pain" means is fairly unclear to me. I tend to think of it as "inflicting damage that only affects you if it hurts" but I'm not confident about that.
It also offers an additional minor physical consequence, which is a good idea.
--- Quote ---6. A stunt letting you use Conviction or Discipline for your physical stress track.
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This would be a cool idea, but it's not what this power is narratively. This seems more like what the Winter Knight mantle allows you to do.
--- Quote ---7. Inhuman Toughness with an appropriate Catch.
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It really specifically isn't this. Every time Harry uses it, he says that it puts him at risk, because not feeling pain is dangerous. Inhuman toughness isn't this at all.
Sanctaphrax:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on May 20, 2019, 03:13:48 AM ---I'm trying to come up with something that doesn't require you to spend a load of fate points, so aspects are out.
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You don't need FP to use maneuvers.
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on May 20, 2019, 03:13:48 AM ---Good idea. What kind of extra consequences (as in mild/moderate/severe, and should there be multiples)
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One mild for anything you want, or two with some kind of usage limitation.
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on May 20, 2019, 03:13:48 AM ---I don't think I've seen this stunt. Would you be able to either post it here or direct me to where I can find it?
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Your Story page 151.
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on May 20, 2019, 03:13:48 AM ---This power explicitly says you "suffer no stress from attacks based on pain." This seemed overpowered to me, since most of the damage that I understand stress to represent (bruises, minor cuts) would, in my opinion, qualify as attacks based on pain. After all, if they're not hurting, they rarely interfere with your actions. Also, what "attacks based on pain" means is fairly unclear to me. I tend to think of it as "inflicting damage that only affects you if it hurts" but I'm not confident about that.
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Attacks based on pain refers to magical pain infliction, mental attacks based on torture, and the like. A punch isn't an attack based on pain even if pain is the main thing it ends up inflicting.
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on May 20, 2019, 03:13:48 AM ---This would be a cool idea, but it's not what this power is narratively. This seems more like what the Winter Knight mantle allows you to do.
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Not sure I see the difference.
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on May 20, 2019, 03:13:48 AM ---It really specifically isn't this. Every time Harry uses it, he says that it puts him at risk, because not feeling pain is dangerous. Inhuman toughness isn't this at all.
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That's mostly just narration, and maybe the occasional Compel. The Catch can cover anything else that needs covering.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---You don't need FP to use maneuvers.
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You do if you want to invoke an aspect more than once.
--- Quote ---One mild for anything you want, or two with some kind of usage limitation.
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What counts as a usage limitation? Does a time limit for when you can use them count?
--- Quote ---Your Story page 151.
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Thanks! I'm doing something similar by saying that you can't have physical consequences invoked against you, I think.
--- Quote ---Attacks based on pain refers to magical pain infliction, mental attacks based on torture, and the like. A punch isn't an attack based on pain even if pain is the main thing it ends up inflicting.
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Thanks.
Probably won't be using this, though, since the pain-block is specifically something that can be broken if you hurt the person enough.
--- Quote ---Not sure I see the difference.
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Narratively, it reads completely different. Mechanically, the pain-block is supposed to help people even when they have high endurance, and swapping one high skill for another doesn't help much.
--- Quote ---That's mostly just narration, and maybe the occasional Compel. The Catch can cover anything else that needs covering.
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I guess. I was trying to replicate the effect by making physical stress and consequences heal slower if you used the pain-block.
Sanctaphrax:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on May 20, 2019, 12:22:21 PM ---You do if you want to invoke an aspect more than once.
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Aspects are true even when they're not invoked, though. I don't think it's a problem if the pain-block only provides a mechanical bonus once per use.
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on May 20, 2019, 12:22:21 PM ---What counts as a usage limitation? Does a time limit for when you can use them count?
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I think just about anything can work. The actual rules are on Your Story page 148 if you'd prefer to consult them directly.
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