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belgarion:
--- Quote from: Spyndel on January 15, 2009, 03:18:47 AM ---I'll just rebut a couple quick points, and defer to you on the rest.
Yes, but its a remark concerning another characters seasickness, and how its possible for him to get seasick. So he's not referring to a specific sea so much, as suggesting Phrygia is "thousand of miles" from *water*. This suggests that no matter where we put Antillus, east or west, Phrygia has to be more centrally located, and "landlocked", which is a little tougher to visualize.
I'm afraid this is just an area where we would differ if I were drawing the map. Theres no reason it has to get skinny again...a "valley" is a U shaped depression in between mountains, so Garrison can still block the entrance fine if its situated between two mountain masses that are wider on either side. Calderon valley is simply the only path *through" those mountains.
If the valley, though, is *beyond* the isthmus, it means its west of Garrison, but "after" the skinniest point. If it gets skinny again after Calderon, it suggests that the isthmus is continuing beyond Calderon. It can still be a "land Bridge" between the 2 landmasses, without tapering it again after the isthmus.
A minor point to be sure. Thanks for taking the time to respond!
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No problem. Just wondering where our other contributors are. Kokolores, Yshyr, farraday, Belmonte, novium, Oedipus, MerryB, rebona, Meri, Jaroslav, Shortlegge, wandering monk, afan, Shuglin, and more and of course Priscellie :-)
And if I missed anyone, I apologize profusely.
I'll work on a revised Calderon tomorrow sometime. We'll keep both up once we agree on a new one. Then I'd like to wait to see what Jim's real map looks like :-)
Mikey
Priscellie:
--- Quote from: Spyndel on January 15, 2009, 03:18:47 AM ---Yes, but its a remark concerning another characters seasickness, and how its possible for him to get seasick. So he's not referring to a specific sea so much, as suggesting Phrygia is "thousand of miles" from *water*. This suggests that no matter where we put Antillus, east or west, Phrygia has to be more centrally located, and "landlocked", which is a little tougher to visualize.( If Phrygia is touching a coastline, it *cannot* be "thousands of miles" from the sea...it cannot be a single mile from the sea).
The only I way I can see to make this true, is if Antillus is east, to bring Placida up as a buffer between the coast and Phrygia, and if Antillus is west, to stretch Riva up as a buffer. In either case, that would make one of those two cites touch the Icemen Border, but we know theyre not a shieldwall city. In that case, they probably need to bump up against some sort of impassable mountains that are not the shieldwall proper.
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Have we ever had any indication that people sail on the Sea of Ice? I'm fairly certain that Max was referring to the sea to the west of Carna.
There is a difference between the cities themselves and the land around them. "Riva" can either refer to the city of Riva or the whole region that is politically represented by Lord Riva. Sure, Tavi is Rivan, but he doesn't live in the city of Riva. When Ehren told Max and Tavi that he was being sent to Phrygia, one would guess that he was being sent to the city of Phrygia, which I suppose could be thousands of miles from the ocean, without negating the possibility that there could be Phrygian land touching ocean.
...You know what? I think Jim screwed up that detail. I think we should just throw this clue out, frankly.
Spyndel:
--- Quote from: Priscellie on January 15, 2009, 03:49:45 AM ---Have we ever had any indication that people sail on the Sea of Ice? I'm fairly certain that Max was referring to the sea to the west of Carna.
There is a difference between the cities themselves and the land around them. "Riva" can either refer to the city of Riva or the whole region that is politically represented by Lord Riva. Sure, Tavi is Rivan, but he doesn't live in the city of Riva. When Ehren told Max and Tavi that he was being sent to Phrygia, one would guess that he was being sent to the city of Phrygia, which I suppose could be thousands of miles from the ocean, without negating the possibility that there could be Phrygian land touching ocean.
...You know what? I think Jim screwed up that detail. I think we should just throw this clue out, frankly.
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I was thinking along these lines myself. While I think the remark was applicable to any body of open water that would be near phrydgia (after all, you can get seasick on one sea just as well as another), he could have well been referring to the city proper being that far from water, and not to the region itself.
Theres no way to *know* this other than just guessing, but it certainly makes things easier to visualize if we disregard it, or assume he is speaking of the actual city, and not the surrounding land.
By the way, here is the quote from Amara in FoC that Im basing my Calderon placement on, for reference, though Im sure you're already familiar with it.
--- Quote from: Amara, FoC ---"Are you familiar with the significance of the Calderon Valley?"
Amara nodded once. "It lies just over the isthmus between Alera and the plains beyond."
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This, in my mind, puts Calderon at the very *end* of the land bridge, or at the beginning of where the new continent is starting to flare open to a larger landmass. Just because its the only pass through the mountains doesn't mean the land its on or in front of it must be skinny...it simply means the mountains on either side of it must be impassable.
belgarion:
Here's a modified version:
http://flickr.com/photos/21582563@N03/3199689044/
I moved Imperia a bit north, as well as Aquitaine and Riva, same for Placida, although I still think the way we originally had the two northern lords placed was more correct based on Max's comments.
The Calderon Isthmus is now identified as a narrow strip of land connecting the main continent to the valley.
I did some research in Google Earth and looked at aerial views of Isthmus's around the world.
We can change the shape on the eastern end of the valley and make it a bit wider. That's not a problem.
I also added detail for Cannea, well, as much as is described in PF.
Mikey
Brightbane:
Why is Cannea still so small? I might be completely wrong, but isn't it suppose to dwarf Alera?
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