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If the Denarians are trapped in Demonreach...
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---That what their job is, they both explained, to give Cassius a chance
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This is why I think they might be required to not leave Denarian hosts in Demonreach--the Knights' job is to give the Denarians a chance to repent, and I don't think that they can do that if they're in stasis.
--- Quote ---If they aren't doing anything then the Knight's can't, or are not required to, act. This is Michael's argument, more of less, in Small Favor.
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The problem is that at the time Michael says this in Small Favor, the Denarians are doing something--they are imprisoning and torturing Marcone! (Granted, Marcone is not an innocent, but in Death Masks Michael makes it very clear that it's not the Knights' place to judge.)
peregrine:
--- Quote from: Mira on March 22, 2019, 08:40:59 PM ---But the better example is Cassius, Harry argued that he was playing Michael and Sanya, that he would never reform, that he should be snuffed... Both Michael and Sanya said it wasn't their place to judge him, he gave up the coin thus gave himself a chance at redemption... That what their job is, they both explained, to give Cassius a chance, what he does with it is up to him and none of their business.
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Yeah, but at that time, Cassius was defanged. He was no longer a threat, he was effectively harmless. Nic was in the middle of a little bit of attempted murder.
All of which is I think getting away from the original argument that the Knights just hang around and wait for a bit of Denarian evil to fall in their laps. They can be proactive.
morriswalters:
In Small Favor Michael's objection is to attacking the Denarian's without warning. Which is what Michael and Harry quarrel about.
In terms of the coins and their hosts be sequestered in Demonreach, until Jim says otherwise I'm assuming that's a non starter due to the nature of Demonreach.
Mira:
--- Quote from: peregrine on March 22, 2019, 10:36:08 PM ---Yeah, but at that time, Cassius was defanged. He was no longer a threat, he was effectively harmless. Nic was in the middle of a little bit of attempted murder.
All of which is I think getting away from the original argument that the Knights just hang around and wait for a bit of Denarian evil to fall in their laps. They can be proactive.
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The reason he was defanged was once he lost his coin, Cassius lost whatever advantage the particular Fallen of the coin had given him, he then rapidly reverted to whatever age he should be. If it is true about Nic, if he really did give up his coin and noose I doubt he'd last very long since he is around 2,000 years old. At best he'd only last for a short while and die... Yeah, they can go after Denarians, that is what they do, but if the Denarian surrenders and gives up his or her coin, they have to let them go... Their job is bringing about redemption not judgement...
Death Masks page 296 paperback
--- Quote ---"No, I'm not, Harry," Michael said. "The purpose of the Knights is not to destroy those who serve evil."
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Then on page 297 he says
--- Quote ---"No," Michael said. "But that doesn't change my purpose. He has surrendered his coin, and the influence of it. The rest is not for Sanya or me to decide. It is Cassius's choice."
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All the while Harry was arguing that they shouldn't let him go because his is a murderous bastard, and would do it again.. And Cassius was gleefully agreeing with him.. It is because of that as much as anything Harry took a baseball bat to his ankles.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---In Small Favor Michael's objection is to attacking the Denarian's without warning. Which is what Michael and Harry quarrel about.
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That can't possibly be the issue. In the same book, Harry notes that Michael has no problem killing enemies from behind when needed.
I don't have my copy of the book right now, but I'll have access to it later tonight and will post a quote of the section under discussion (if someone wants to post it earlier, that would be awesome).
--- Quote ---All of which is I think getting away from the original argument that the Knights just hang around and wait for a bit of Denarian evil to fall in their laps. They can be proactive.
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When do we ever see them be proactive?
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