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If the Denarians are trapped in Demonreach...
Snark Knight:
Wait, why is the host a factor in this? By far the easiest way for Fallen to end up in Demonreach is for Harry to chuck the next few coins he retrieves off of dead Denarians into the back of one of the tunnels. A live host is going to be putting up one hell of a fight, but scooping pocket change off a corpse is comparatively easy.
Wrap them in whatever blessed container it takes to prevent other Denarians summoning their comrades' coins back, leave a sign "Future Wardens: Do Not Touch", and basically forget about them. Whether they're meant to be in circulation or not, that's a free-willed mortal's choice to put them well beyond reach of anyone else.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---I believe you misremember Michael's objections in Small Favor.
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That's possible. Could you post a quote of that section, please?
--- Quote ---Wait, why is the host a factor in this? By far the easiest way for Fallen to end up in Demonreach is for Harry to chuck the next few coins he retrieves off of dead Denarians into the back of one of the tunnels. A live host is going to be putting up one hell of a fight, but scooping pocket change off a corpse is comparatively easy.
Wrap them in whatever blessed container it takes to prevent other Denarians summoning their comrades' coins back, leave a sign "Future Wardens: Do Not Touch", and basically forget about them. Whether they're meant to be in circulation or not, that's a free-willed mortal's choice to put them well beyond reach of anyone else.
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It's an idea that I saw on an older thread: that because the coins are supposed to be in circulation, something would inevitably happen to release them from Demonreach (the same way they always manage to escape from the Church). Trapping the host as well was put forth as a possible loophole--the Fallen inside the Coins are still free to corrupt the people holding them (thus still "in circulation"), it's just that the Coins' holders are prevented from acting to spread that corruption any further.
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on March 22, 2019, 12:57:42 AM ---Wait, why is the host a factor in this? By far the easiest way for Fallen to end up in Demonreach is for Harry to chuck the next few coins he retrieves off of dead Denarians into the back of one of the tunnels. A live host is going to be putting up one hell of a fight, but scooping pocket change off a corpse is comparatively easy.
Wrap them in whatever blessed container it takes to prevent other Denarians summoning their comrades' coins back, leave a sign "Future Wardens: Do Not Touch", and basically forget about them. Whether they're meant to be in circulation or not, that's a free-willed mortal's choice to put them well beyond reach of anyone else.
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Maybe, maybe not. Remember way back in Death Masks when Harry wanted Bob to look for the Shroud of Turin and Bob said he couldn't go anywhere near it? His exact words were, ""It doesn't exist on the same wavelength as me. It's out of my jurisdiction." It's possible that Alfred might say; not the exact same words, but something similar. The island might be on a different wavelength or made to lock up living beings, not incorporeal spirits; even if those spirits are trapped within a coin.
Another way to think about it is Alfred might have rules about who can be locked up on the island and who can't, and under what circumstances the island is allowed to lock up a supernatural entity. For a variety of reasons the Denarians, or just the Fallen trapped in the coin, might not apply. We know the island has a lot of dangerous supernatural prisoners, but we don't know how they earned their prison sentence.
Mira:
--- Quote from: peregrine on March 21, 2019, 09:44:30 PM ---Given what Forthill said about Michael needing a babysitter for his family, and (I think?) we saw Michael heading to the airport, plus Sanya and Shiro coming to Chicago, that "coincidence" can include things like "Got on a plane and tracked them down."
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Also Knights just don't let coin holders go... If they don't give up their coins, they fight them to the death or they get away... They try and talk them into giving up the coin during the confrontation, if they give it up then they are obligated to let them go to seek or not their own redemption... That is why both Cassius and Nic gave up their coins, it stopped the fight... In the case of Cassius, aside from Harry, who wasn't a Knight, he was dealing with current Knights, Michael and Sanya, who then let him go... Then without coin protection he began to age and he wasn't able as he thought to gain another coin.. Because Murphy didn't stop fighting and tried to execute Nic after he "gave up" his coin and noose, she broke the rules and a Holy Sword... Then all bets were off, Nic took back both coin and noose and beat the crap out of her...
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---Also Knights just don't let coin holders go...
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Are we sure about this? I mean, it's one thing if the Denarians are actively doing something horrible, but if the Knights ran into one of them on vacation or something, would they be permitted to try to kill the Denarian even if he/she refused to give up the Coin? I mean, Michael spent 3-ish years thinking that Harry had taken up Lasciel's coin, but didn't do anything about it until Harry actively approached him.
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