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Did Harry lie to Michael, or worse?
Mira:
--- Quote ---IF Nicodemus was truly saving the world with the sacrifice of Deirdre, rather than merely furthering a quest to power, I would say he has a claim to it simply being one of those hard calls. Harder than Harry's sacrifice of Susan, sure, but what is one daughter against all the children that will ever be?
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As I said, both are fruit, but they are not the same. The difference between your two examples is something called pre-planning. Nic planned all along to sacrifice his daughter to get into the vault. At the moment we do not know what his plans for the artifacts really are, just what he claimed to Harry, and we know Nic never lies, right? Harry wasn't about to sacrifice his daughter, this is why he went to C.I. to save her, nor was it his plan to sacrifice Susan to save her, that came down to no real choices in the end.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---The difference between your two examples is something called pre-planning. Nic planned all along to sacrifice his daughter to get into the vault.
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This may be somewhat blurry. Harry may not have intended specifically to sacrifice Susan, but the whole "if the world burns because of what I do, then me and the kid will roast marshmallows" thing was pretty indicative that he was prepared to do something problematic.
Mira:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on March 14, 2019, 01:50:07 PM ---This may be somewhat blurry. Harry may not have intended specifically to sacrifice Susan, but the whole "if the world burns because of what I do, then me and the kid will roast marshmallows" thing was pretty indicative that he was prepared to do something problematic.
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It is also running at the mouth at what he'd be prepared to do, big difference between that and true pre-planning... Pre-planning means you are planning for what may happen on your mission.. Nic knew beforehand what was needed at the second gate, blood sacrifice, and coldly planned for it..
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---It is also running at the mouth at what he'd be prepared to do, big difference between that and true pre-planning... Pre-planning means you are planning for what may happen on your mission.. Nic knew beforehand what was needed at the second gate, blood sacrifice, and coldly planned for it..
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True. In my mind, the difference between what Nicodemus did and what Harry did is the difference between buying a gun, stalking someone to figure out the best time and place to kill them, and then following through; and buying a gun, deciding to bring it with you when you rob a house, and then shooting the homeowner when they come at you with their own weapon. The burglar may not have planned to murder anybody, but they accepted the possibility when they brought the gun with, and they'll still get charged with some degree of murder.
(Obviously, Harry had good intentions. But given we don't know what Nicodemus's long-term intentions are regarding the artifacts, I tend to consider it a non-issue when comparing the two.)
Mira:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on March 14, 2019, 10:39:24 PM ---True. In my mind, the difference between what Nicodemus did and what Harry did is the difference between buying a gun, stalking someone to figure out the best time and place to kill them, and then following through; and buying a gun, deciding to bring it with you when you rob a house, and then shooting the homeowner when they come at you with their own weapon. The burglar may not have planned to murder anybody, but they accepted the possibility when they brought the gun with, and they'll still get charged with some degree of murder.
(Obviously, Harry had good intentions. But given we don't know what Nicodemus's long-term intentions are regarding the artifacts, I tend to consider it a nonissue when comparing the two.)
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Huge difference, the end may be the same, but there is a difference.. Oh and please give page and book so things can be read in context..
One of the come backs that Uriel had to your quote... Ghost Story page 458
--- Quote ---It is one thing to say, 'Let the word burn.' It is another to say, Let Molly burn." The difference is all in a name.
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