The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Did Harry lie to Michael, or worse?
Mira:
--- Quote from: Avernite on February 22, 2019, 06:35:22 PM ---Much as I think Harry and you have a point that it would probably have been safer to keep her somewhere with Harry - Susan was probably primarily thinking about being as much a mother to Maggie as she could be, and that required a foster home in South America.
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Problem, any connection no matter how distant that she maintained made her child vulnerable to being found and used by the Red Court. Hell, Martin should have seen that and told her so, but either he didn't figuring he use this later or Susan was too hard headed to listen.. Even naming her Maggie telegraphed a connection that led back to Harry and Eb. Better she had given birth and then consented to a blind adoption by someone in another country.
TrueMonk:
Skin game spoiler
(click to show/hide)Did anyone else consider the symmetry in Harry sacrificing Susan and Nico sacrificing Deirdre. Of course it is not the same, but it is not so different either. If Nico and Deirdre believe they are saving the world from something and the only way to do it is by getting the artifacts.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---Did anyone else consider the symmetry in Harry sacrificing Susan and Nico sacrificing Deirdre. Of course it is not the same, but it is not so different either.
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Definitely! :)
Mira:
--- Quote from: TrueMonk on March 06, 2019, 09:07:16 PM ---Skin game spoiler
(click to show/hide)Did anyone else consider the symmetry in Harry sacrificing Susan and Nico sacrificing Deirdre. Of course it is not the same, but it is not so different either. If Nico and Deirdre believe they are saving the world from something and the only way to do it is by getting the artifacts.
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Not quite, apples to oranges, both fruit but very different... Harry didn't sacrifice Susan to as you put it, save the world.. He did it to save his daughter, he didn't sacrifice his daughter.. Also he didn't set up the curse that backfired on the Red King, the Red King did. There is also evidence that Nic lied to his daughter as far as the future of her spirit, did she fully understand that Hades wasn't going to let it off as far as punishment goes?
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Mira on March 07, 2019, 01:58:59 PM ---Not quite, apples to oranges, both fruit but very different... Harry didn't sacrifice Susan to as you put it, save the world.. He did it to save his daughter, he didn't sacrifice his daughter.. Also he didn't set up the curse that backfired on the Red King, the Red King did. There is also evidence that Nic lied to his daughter as far as the future of her spirit, did she fully understand that Hades wasn't going to let it off as far as punishment goes?
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I'm not sure I see it that way.
Instead I think Nicodemus is specifically set up as a foil for Harry. Harry is not beyond making the hard calls, and often strays to dodgy, but always knows (except during Changes, and see how that struck back at him?). Nicodemus is not beyond making the hard calls, regularly strays to dodgy, but has a hard time knowing when he's being dodgy and when he's making the hard calls.
IF Nicodemus was truly saving the world with the sacrifice of Deirdre, rather than merely furthering a quest to power, I would say he has a claim to it simply being one of those hard calls. Harder than Harry's sacrifice of Susan, sure, but what is one daughter against all the children that will ever be?
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