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WAG: why Nicodemus wanted the knife
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on February 15, 2019, 01:27:26 AM ---So, I was reading an old thread about what would happen if you sacrificed a denarian on the stone table, and it sparked an idea.
What if the reason Nicodemus wanted the knife from Skin Game was because it can destroy denarian coins, which by WoJ would free the Fallen inside to act?
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Harry found multiple items on the table. Nic specifically wanted the grail. He killed his daughter and engineered the raid for precisely that purpose. Did he know of the other items in any specific way?
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---Harry found multiple items on the table. Nic specifically wanted the grail. He killed his daughter and engineered the raid for precisely that purpose. Did he know of the other items in any specific way?
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It's implied that he actually wanted all five items, and the knife specifically; he's just pathologically incapable of being honest.
peregrine:
Yeah. Nic SAID he wanted the Grail, and presumably that was his main goal, but he almost certainly wanted the whole collection.
Cozarkian:
--- Quote from: DonBugen on April 02, 2019, 12:21:23 AM ---Kill Lucifer? Why would Nicodemus want to kill Lucifer, when it's clearly TWG that he's so bitterly impassioned against? Furthermore, why would Lucifer help Nicodemus in Small Favor, if Nicodemus has ever displayed any issue at all?
Not arguing against you, per se; I just love twisty theories. Straight and narrow ones generally don't have a chance of happening.
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See Mab and Leah for a trusted enemy relationship similar to what Nico/Luci would have. They might work together, but Lucifer kicked Anduriel out of hell and trapped him in a coin precisely because Nicodemus was one of his strongest generals and therefore a threat to Lucifer. However, while the above is true, I agree it is too straightforward and too unrelated to the Outsider theme to be the motivation behind Nicodemus wanted the knife.
My theory is that when Harry suggested to Nicodemus in SmF that there was a traitor in the Denarians mix, while we were led to believe it was Namshiel, Nicodemus' investigation revealed that the treachery goes deeper and discovered that Lucifer is nemfected.
Here is the evidence: In Skin Game, Nicodemus sacrificed his daughter in Hades to protect her from the Enemy. It doesn't make sense that she needs protection from the TWG, because the worst that TWG would do is send her soul to hell for eternal damnation. That means Nicodemus is trying to keep her out of hell and put her in hades (the place) instead. Hades (the god), however, suggests that she isn't going to escape her crimes. Nicodemus is smart enough to know she's still going to be tortured in hades, so there must be some other reason than avoiding torture that explains why hades is preferable to hell. The difference has to be their respective rulers, Hades v. Lucifer. Why would Lucifer be bad and more specifically, why would being sent to hell to be tortured by Lucifer deliver her to the hands of the Enemy? Simple, Lucifer is Nemfected.
KurtinStGeorge:
To get back to the OP. I disagree with the idea of using the blade to free one or more of the Fallen from the coins. (Assuming it can be done.) Nicodemus could get someone like Quintas Cassius to work with him, and certainly his daughter followed him, but a demon on the loose might be another story. Plus, would Anduriel need Nicodemus if it was free of the coin? I'm thinking probably not. The Fallen might be more effective with a human host like Nicodemus, but most of them wouldn't see it that way and I doubt Nic would trust letting any of them out of their coins.
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