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All black magic IS Nemesis

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Bad Alias:
I'm not so sure that there is a black magic point of no return. The whole point of the Knights of the Cross is that no one is beyond redemption. That's a pretty strong theme of the books, too. It's basically Harry's entire character arc. On the other hand, I think that actions have consequences is also a big theme of the books.

I guess I'm saying that maybe the taint can't be removed, but it can be overcome. Choice builds character, character determines choice. We can substitute nature for character here. If a practitioner acts against the taint enough, that becomes their nature. If the practitioner acts with the taint enough, that becomes their nature. But a mortal has free will, which is the ability to act against their nature. In the Warrior, Uriel says something about how mortals almost always act in conformity with their nature, so it is unlikely that someone would change their nature.

Salusen:

--- Quote from: groinkick on January 31, 2019, 08:06:21 PM --- I don't know if Nemesis is really a sentient Being.  I think it's more like a contamination that turns you toward evil.

The main argument against it is that Leah didn't want Harry to speak It's name for fear it would hear him.  So I find it somewhat confusing.  I am fairly certain though that Harry Dresden, and any other wizard who's used black magic does have some of Nemesis inside themselves.  It just may be that unless they have fully embraced it, it's not in control of them the way Leah, and others seemed to be.

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I think I remember the Cat Sith's voice changing after getting infected, and Nemesis spoke to Harry as Cat Sith. I think Nemesis is a sentient being, but that it uses mind control. The "infection" is actually a kind of doorway into the mind of the victim, allowing Nemesis to manifest through them (behavior, language, magic capability, etc.)


But wait.. if we keep talking about Nemesis like this, won't we attract its attention?

Griffyn612:

--- Quote from: Salusen on January 31, 2019, 09:14:31 PM ---But wait.. if we keep talking about Nemesis like this, won't we attract its attention?

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Only if Butcher used a name actually associated with the Enemy.  For all we know, Nemesis is a Council-approved nickname for Blorgadorp, Master of Riblars and Grorpins.

peregrine:
The idea that you can only do magic for things you truly believe are right, and that by doing evil things with magic because you truly believe it's right makes it easier to do more evil things again (because you've convinced yourself it's right) doesn't really need Nemesis or other magical foundations behind it, just normal psychology.

Mira:

--- Quote from: peregrine on February 01, 2019, 05:03:54 AM ---The idea that you can only do magic for things you truly believe are right, and that by doing evil things with magic because you truly believe it's right makes it easier to do more evil things again (because you've convinced yourself it's right) doesn't really need Nemesis or other magical foundations behind it, just normal psychology.

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Yeah, that sort of fits with the Denarian point of view and with Cowl's point of view...  It calls up all kinds of questions about morality.  As in what makes something evil and something else not?  Sometimes it amounts to point of view.

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