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All black magic IS Nemesis

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groinkick:
Leah stated that it was Nemesis who altered Victor Sells, and the FBI agents.  But wasn't that just black magic?  Doesn't a wizard go insane as they use enough of it?  The Black Staff pulls it from the wizard when casting as it did with Eb.  Harry was exposed to it just as the FBI agents were when he used the wolf belt. 

Here is my guess.  Just as love is the stuff of Creation, I'm thinking that dark magic is the stuff of hate or Anti-creation, Nemesis.  Just as the Archangel's have used their Knights as a trumpet (Murphy in Changes), Nemesis can speak to, or through anyone who's been contaminated.  It's why Leah, and the other Sidhe had to be infected.  They don't use mortal wizard magic, and cannot become contaminated that way.  Wizards on the other hand can pull it within themselves, or transfer it to objects like the Hexen Wolf belts.  I'm thinking that Leah attempted to access the power of the blade, and that's when it contaminated her. 

What I'm curious about is why mortals seem longer to go dark side from using dark magic vs how easily the Sidhe fall once exposed to it's influence.

Bad Alias:
I don't remember Lea saying that, but I do remember Lily saying it. Did Lea say it too?

I agree with black magic and it's corrupting influence is in some way related to Outside, but I'm not convinced it is Nemesis. We also don't know what it takes for Nemesis to infect a fairy. All we know is that it happened pretty quickly with Cat Sith.

Avernite:

--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 31, 2019, 04:43:47 PM ---I don't remember Lea saying that, but I do remember Lily saying it. Did Lea say it too?

I agree with black magic and it's corrupting influence is in some way related to Outside, but I'm not convinced it is Nemesis. We also don't know what it takes for Nemesis to infect a fairy. All we know is that it happened pretty quickly with Cat Sith.

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To be fair Sith was also the worst infection in terms of control, and the strongest (Lea did not get mindbroken when she took the action to get rid of her infection, after all).

Mira:

--- Quote from: Avernite on January 31, 2019, 05:34:41 PM ---To be fair Sith was also the worst infection in terms of control, and the strongest (Lea did not get mindbroken when she took the action to get rid of her infection, after all).

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  Or it's their attitude that makes them vulnerable to the infection.

groinkick:

--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 31, 2019, 04:43:47 PM ---I agree with black magic and it's corrupting influence is in some way related to Outside, but I'm not convinced it is Nemesis.

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I'm leaning towards this:  by using black magic, the wizard is contaminating themselves with Nemesis's essence.  The wizard as far as we can tell cannot remove any taint they acquire from the use of black magic, it's permanent.  Once they go insane, that's it, no going back.  Jim said Nemesis isn't some all powerful thing when asked about it, and Archangel infection.  I don't know if Nemesis is really a sentient Being.  I think it's more like a contamination that turns you toward evil.

The main argument against it is that Leah didn't want Harry to speak It's name for fear it would hear him.  So I find it somewhat confusing.  I am fairly certain though that Harry Dresden, and any other wizard who's used black magic does have some of Nemesis inside themselves.  It just may be that unless they have fully embraced it, it's not in control of them the way Leah, and others seemed to be.

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