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Vadderung former Gatekeeper.

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Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: Yuillegan on November 01, 2018, 01:16:20 AM ---We know he taught the original Merlin.

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How do we know that? I recall reasoning that there were strong connections between Merlin and Odin, but I've been away from the boards for so long that I'm no longer conversant in a lot of the out of book information and theories.

I do recall that I've had the idea that Odin/Vadderung may be an ancestor of Harry's and that's why he was so involved in Chichen Itza. (What I remember about why I thought that): (click to show/hide)The theory that Harry is descended from the Merlin is based on Ebeneezer's journals dating back to the original Merlin and the idea that apprentices are often taught by family members. From there and the idea that Merlin was taught by Odin, it isn't a large leap that Merlin was descended from Odin.

Con:
Ebenezar outright says it after the battle of Chitchen Itza
--- Quote from: Changes;Page 426 --- Ebenezar nodded "He taught Merlin you know. The original Merlin
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Yuillegan:
Bad Alias, the theory could still be true that Odin, Merlin and Harry are related (assuming Merlin isn't TT Harry or the Harry isn't Odin etc.) I mean they could all be the same guy, some have proposed. But if they are all separate individuals and they did all teach their blood relatives it could work. But we have no confirmation of any of this so it is all wild speculation.

All we do know is Odin taught Merlin and Merlin teachings have passed down the line, presumably to Harry.

Bad Alias:
@ Con: Thanks. I knew there was something. I just couldn't remember what.

@ Yuillegan: I wouldn't even call my idea a theory. Just a "this is possible." It's just one of many things that could explain why Odin was involved. Just being Odin, and all that entails, could explain why he was involved. The assumption that all those masters and apprentices were related is a pretty big assumption. We know of at least eight master/apprentice relationships. (click to show/hide)Odin/Merlin, Justin/Harry, Justin/Elaine, Simon/Justin, Ebeneezer/Harry, Ebeneezer/Margaret, Luccio/Morgan, Harry/Molly Only two of them are explicitly related by blood, with an additional two being related by law (which I can't imagine working for a bloodline curse). That's a 25 or 50% "wizards taught by family member" rate.

There are a lot of parallels between Odin and Harry. Odin is one of the prototypical wizards modern fantasy wizards are based on. Harry is a wizard. They both receive advice from a severed head. They both have died, gained knowledge, and returned. Odin lost his eye. Harry nearly lost an eye. And on top of all that, Butcher established an unbroken master/apprentice chain between them.

Yuillegan:
And also to add to your eight, LaFortier/Christos, Kemmler/Cowl, Kemmler/Grevane, Kemmler/Corpsetaker. Can't remember any others of significance off the top of my head.

The more I read stuff about Christos, the more I remember how he is such a likely candidate for Black Council/Circle. Could be Cowl, but I suspect they are just playing on the same team.

Oh yes, the Odin/Harry parallels are strong. I do wonder if Jim is setting something up, even if Harry doesn't = Odin. I think he has set up a few things like scars on purpose. Considering what we know about Vadderung and his foresight and planning, likely none of Harry's encounters with him were not pre-planned, even if Harry thinks they were. And Vadderung would definitely know of their connection. I am sure he has kept an eye on Merlin's bloodline and his line of apprentices, no doubt. Not to mention all the other reasons he has shown an interest in Harry.

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