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Cowl and Kumori are...
raidem:
--- Quote ---Kim Delaney brought back by Cowl's necromancy (which would actually rather neatly explain her motivation to end death, her reluctance to strike at Harry, and her certainty she couldn't escape Cowl if she flipped on him ... I regard it as unlikely, but I can't see a reason it's impossible)
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After reading Amber Chronicles I opened to the possibility that Kim Delaney's story wasn't actually over in Fool Moon. I mean we assume she met her end, but I like the idea that either her death was 'staged' or she was brought back in some fashion. There is a similar plot of a staged death in Amber Chronicles of Merlin's girlfriend that later becomes some sort of nemesis for him.
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on October 23, 2018, 02:52:08 PM ---Cowl would be a fool not to tell Elaine of all the players if she was acting as his conscious proxy. Harsh taskmaster or not. This doesn't eliminate her but neither does it give her a head up over other obvious suspects.
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I understand your point. However we are assuming that everyone is all on the same side. There is a theory that even amongst the various villains in the series that there is a larger power play with different groups trying to achieve their own ends. In general I think the other reasons I have outlined give her a heads up over the other possibilities.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on October 23, 2018, 02:52:08 PM ---There is no observable point at which someone becomes dead. Death is a process that at some point becomes irreversible from the pov of the dying. When that point occurs depends on how you get to the point. A head shot pretty much gets you there quick. on the other hand children have been revived after being submerged in cold water for more than two hours. Harry, say thank you Mab.I have experienced high levels of pain and find it a deterrent to higher level reasoning. Your mileage may vary. Or maybe he just had an off day and got killed. In combat someone lives and someone dies, at least in it's simplest form.
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Well sure there is. Not to the naked eye, but certainly we have developed machines and methods that allow us to measure and observe heart rate and brain activity. When the activity falls below a certain threshold - you are declared dead. If your brain activity falls below, it never recovers. Hence why shooting someone in the head is generally so effective. I understand where you are going with this but I think you miss Mab's point. It is Mortal humans who believe that once you "die" it is irreversible. Mab contests this and say that is not true, we just cannot appreciate or generally recreate how we can come back. I think there is a larger philosophical argument here about the nature of death e.g. if you were atomized or decomposed but were completely restored, are you still you? For that to work, a soul becomes crucial as the constant "you" that survives all states of change. Hence the immortal(read: unchanging) soul. But Mab is saying that Death is just a state of change, which both scientifically and metaphorically it is. There is no "end" just the changing of one state to another.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on October 23, 2018, 02:52:08 PM ---On the matter of swords, you really haven't seen a whole lot of wizards, one way or the other. But of the wizards you've seen swords don't seem all that unusual. In point of fact almost all of the supernatural characters in the Dresden Files involve themselves with swordplay.
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Well while the White Council has been described - but not many Wizards have been described in individual detail. Most of the Wizards on-screen have been Warden's, Harry or Necromancers. But of the other Wizards - none of the senior council, none of the warlocks, no regular practitioners, only one of the necromancers, none of the grey council...it doesn't seem like many regular Wizards carry swords. I believe in one of the earlier books Harry mentions how most Wizards prefer to just study and hide away from the world and he is the weird one for trying to fight all the time. Even Ebenezar the Blackstaff actually doesn't use a sword - even if he did as a young Warden (though we have no confirmation of that). And I disagree - relatively few characters use swords compared to the whole of the supernatural characters shown in the books. Can you name enough examples? Especially those that use them and don't just carry them decoratively (like Ferrovax or Mavra).
Raidem - love the idea that someone would be brought back, but probs not as an uber-necromancer. More likely a ghost or revenant wouldn't you say? For such a minor character. I could see Susan coming back as a nemesis..but I hope not. I think it might be good to let that story lie where it is. Maybe Maggie Le Fay?
morriswalters:
--- Quote ---Well sure there is. Not to the naked eye, but certainly we have developed machines and methods that allow us to measure and observe heart rate and brain activity. When the activity falls below a certain threshold - you are declared dead.
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Well this was fun. One day we might discuss it in detail, but not in this venue.
--- Quote --- Can you name enough examples?
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All the fey. Both at the stone table and at the Gate the battles are fought with medieval weapons, since JB has stated that guns are unreliable in the never never. Most of the Wardens. Most of the White Court, as evidenced by the battle in the Raith Deeps. Almost all of the primary human characters have used a blade, with the exception of Ivy. Some of the Denarians with a star for Nicodemus. JB has evidently had a lot of fun looking up sword types. Harry is a fencer of all things. Where did he learn that? Also in my memory he's never really fought with a sword even though he owns one. In any case I think that is at least a narrow majority for swords. Which given the nature of the books shouldn't really surprise you. Sword fights are so much fun to both see and read about. And you should look at the video JB did dressed in full armor with a sword.(I think he proposed to his wife)
Maz:
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"I am confused somewhat by the fact that you believe that because Harry was a few feet from Kumori he should have recognised her."
Veils are generally not highly effective on Harry. At close range, he has seen through Mavra and Korrick and Lord Talos' glamours and earlier Molly's.
Faith and Jenny are /FAR/ removed from Harry versus Elaine. I'm pretty sure I am more likely to recognize my past serious girlfriend who was at least very close to adulthood when we last saw each other versus a little girl who I met for Jelly Sells (under 5 minutes one day a decade ago or another little girl (faith astor) who I met for under 30 minutes 20 years ago. While yes it is possible he might not recognize Elaine under these circumstances (though I'd lean towards yes he would) I don't think you can make Jenny Sells and Faith Astor equivalent to Elaine.
I don't argue the impact regarding Elaine but that's not my logic. And Jim can of course choose to be an inconsistent narrator and yes he doesn't have Harry dwell on certain topics but to me this would seem to stretch belief.
raidem:
--- Quote ---Raidem - love the idea that someone would be brought back, but probs not as an uber-necromancer. More likely a ghost or revenant wouldn't you say? For such a minor character. I could see Susan coming back as a nemesis..but I hope not. I think it might be good to let that story lie where it is. Maybe Maggie Le Fay?
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Early on I believed Kumori might be some time traveling Maggie Sr. 'apprenticed' to Cowl. That in some of these dealings in the future, Kumori (Maggie Sr.) gains the strength in the past to set right what she and those she involved herself with turned upside down.
As to Kim Delaney, I agree she is a minor character. There were two plots that could possibly repeat in DF that I found in Amber series. 1) A lady, presumed dead, returns as some sort of bad actor. 2) A girlfriend not told "I love you" returns as some sort of bad actor.
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