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Molly
peregrine:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on October 25, 2018, 04:09:22 PM ---But most people did go. Because sometimes it is harder not to. As in the book those choices all have a price tag, and sometimes the risk of death was less than the personal costs of refusing.
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Most people did go, sure. Because of the consequences. But many did not. Because they had a choice, to go or not and face the consequences. For some (albeit not all) of the things for the fae, the consequences are irrelevant. It doesn't matter what price a choice makes because there is no choice. A thing will be done. Not "A thing will be done or..." but simply it will be done. Period. Full stop.
Literally nothing a human does short of autonomic functions related to life (breathing, pumping blood, metabolizing) can compare. Certainly nothing involving societal pressure or punishment.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: peregrine on October 26, 2018, 12:50:36 AM ---Most people did go, sure. Because of the consequences. But many did not. Because they had a choice, to go or not and face the consequences. For some (albeit not all) of the things for the fae, the consequences are irrelevant. It doesn't matter what price a choice makes because there is no choice. A thing will be done. Not "A thing will be done or..." but simply it will be done. Period. Full stop.
Literally nothing a human does short of autonomic functions related to life (breathing, pumping blood, metabolizing) can compare. Certainly nothing involving societal pressure or punishment.
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Except for the example I gave above.
peregrine:
Yeah, but without context, that doesn't mean much. We don't know how she got around it, or what the Mantle wanted her to do.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: peregrine on October 26, 2018, 02:08:31 AM ---Yeah, but without context, that doesn't mean much. We don't know how she got around it, or what the Mantle wanted her to do.
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Just a guess but if Mab told Molly "Do this", Molly would have a choice. But like what happened when she almost had sex, the Mantle reacted in such a way showing she did not have a choice in that circumstance. So Molly isn't like a robot completely at the mercy of the Mantle 100% of the time. She can make some actual choices.
morriswalters:
Harry actually covers this when he tells Mab at one point he can be an willing ally or a robot. The mantle can enforce compliance, but it isn't intelligent. Mab sets policy, so to speak. So if she says jump you can make a choice about how high. To see this effect raise a teenager. ;D
You can also see this in Proven Guilty, where the Summer Lady and Fix help Harry enter Winter. She gives Harry those Summer butterfly thingees and later tells Fix that she didn't know that Harry would use them to throw Summer Fire at the Winter wellspring. Wink, wink.
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