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White Court: emotions
Fcrate:
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 17, 2018, 11:13:13 AM ---Just the usual stuff asocial people do. Smoking outside when I want to open my windows and making too much noise when I want too sleep. I won’t send my cats to kill and eat him, it might poison my cats.
You are not supposed to agree with all Harry’s moral choices. It would make a boring book. But I can sympatise.
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Cats can eat anything and survive. I have like nine hungry young kittens that can eat a whale. I can send them over to backup your cat.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on October 17, 2018, 12:49:25 PM ---I really don't care about Harry's moral choices. I just wouldn't want him for a neighbor.
I'm glad you have a proper appreciation for the welfare of your cat.
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Unless someone broke into your house or jumped you on the way home from work. Now you'd absolutely love to have him around, eh?
morriswalters:
--- Quote ---Unless someone broke into your house or jumped you on the way home from work. Now you'd absolutely love to have him around, eh?
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Nope, still don't want him as a neighbor. Where does the Brighter Future Society stand? Where Harry's boarding house once stood, does it not. His landlady and other neighbors had to flee for their lives because Harry lived in the basement. And the possibility of being attacked by fire is first brought up in Turn Coat.
Ananda:
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 17, 2018, 04:37:16 AM ---Not surprising because the word evil is all about emotion. It is about empathy and fear. Without emotions the word evil has no meaning.But the word evil is about value judgements. You assign value to what is good and you judge evil what is threatening good.
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But *you* were the one who said it is all very logical. :o Are you a politician?
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 17, 2018, 04:37:16 AM ---If you create too much distance the words good and evil become meaningless.
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Wot? I said it’s a combination of evolutionary biology, chemical reactions, and circumstances. I.E. a subjective experience only “real” like a sunset because of perspective (since the sun doesn’t actually set, it just spins and follows its orbital trajectory). Also, each perceiver’s perceptions are different, so, while a great deal of overlap exists because of shared biology, true understanding of another’s experience doesn’t quite exist and even shared broad concepts are wobbly. ;D But, objectively, none of it is actually how things are because things just *are* (or are not (what’s the sound of one boddisattva clapping? Om mani padme ho hum?)).
On that note, I think we may be talking past one another anyway. This format doesn’t make it easier.
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 17, 2018, 04:37:16 AM ---Our first cat ate everything that came out of a tin and was labeled cat food. Our current cats only eat a few things and we have tried everything on the shelves. We humans here only eat free ranged meat but cats....
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Have you tried tundra or carnilove cans? They’re pretty expensive, but very high quality. It’s funny what different cats will love. One of our cats shared breakfast with my husband every morning for years because she loved the little swedish style pancakes (plätter) he’d have with a spoon of jam and gladly finish anything sweet left on his dessert plate. Our cat now has no interest at all in his breakfast, but goes crazy for croissants if I buy one to coffee from the bakery downstairs and eats about a quarter of it. She’s also fond of camembert. She sticks her nose up at the cat food our previous cat used to love, too. She has a savoury tooth to the other’s sweet.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Ananda on October 21, 2018, 09:51:15 PM ---But *you* were the one who said it is all very logical. :o Are you a politician?
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Emotions are a product of human evolution. The moral positions can not be understood from a simple logical position because they are contradictory and lack simple logic but they are logical in the sense that they are a result of human emotions shaped by evolution. They make sense in that context even if they do not seem to make sense. There is logic in emotions.
--- Quote ---Wot? I said it’s a combination of evolutionary biology, chemical reactions, and circumstances. I.E. a subjective experience only “real” like a sunset because of perspective (since the sun doesn’t actually set, it just spins and follows its orbital trajectory). Also, each perceiver’s perceptions are different, so, while a great deal of overlap exists because of shared biology, true understanding of another’s experience doesn’t quite exist and even shared broad concepts are wobbly. ;D But, objectively, none of it is actually how things are because things just *are* (or are not (what’s the sound of one boddisattva clapping? Om mani padme ho hum?)).
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Each of us builds a description of reality inside his head. Some of those theories just work better.
--- Quote ---On that note, I think we may be talking past one another anyway. This format doesn’t make it easier.
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Probably true.
--- Quote ---Have you tried tundra or carnilove cans? They’re pretty expensive, but very high quality. It’s funny what different cats will love. One of our cats shared breakfast with my husband every morning for years because she loved the little swedish style pancakes (plätter) he’d have with a spoon of jam and gladly finish anything sweet left on his dessert plate. Our cat now has no interest at all in his breakfast, but goes crazy for croissants if I buy one to coffee from the bakery downstairs and eats about a quarter of it. She’s also fond of camembert. She sticks her nose up at the cat food our previous cat used to love, too. She has a savoury tooth to the other’s sweet.
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Never tried those, I would have to order them online.
Ananda:
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 22, 2018, 01:41:39 PM ---There is logic in emotions.
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If you change that to predictability or pattern, then I’ll agree completely. An obvious example is taken from the headlines; fear allows for control. Get people scared and a certain percentage will go along with anything. Bypassing reason by stirring emotions is a predictable and easily accessible form of control currently being used to great effect. Various studies have shown this and it’s predictability has been weaponised.
I’d say that logic steps can be created to exploit these things, but the fear et al aren’t, in themselves, logical, just predictable.
In summation, those pesky vampires aren’t, by necessity, bad guys or whatever you said, for eating. In fact, it might be unethical to not allow them to eat at all. I think the standard of judgement would be in the details of the treatment of their food sources, thus full circle to my initial comment paralleling the human relationship with other animals.
Now, we ought to co-author a paper for a philosophy journal exploring the ethics of refusing vampires food.
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 22, 2018, 01:41:39 PM ---Never tried those, I would have to order them online.
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We order our cat’s food online as the prices are much lower than buying off the shelf and, if you spend 500kr on the site we use, the shipping is free.
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