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The Death of Margaret Le Fay
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on September 24, 2018, 07:07:51 PM ---They may not be, but I don't see a reason that Malcolm would be needed to justify Lea's involvement when we know that Margaret spent a century or so interacting directly with fae.
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Time only mattered to Maggie. Lea and Mab are into the long game. If Maggie was able to avoid the clutches of the White King, one can assume that she could avoid becoming obligated to the Fae Court. Then the line of reasoning would be this, Lea or Mab wanted something that only Maggie could give them. A child. Malcolm was to be the father. Because he brought something to the table that the Queens needed. Whatever quality that might be.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 24, 2018, 09:48:44 PM ---Time only mattered to Maggie. Lea and Mab are into the long game. If Maggie was able to avoid the clutches of the White King, one can assume that she could avoid becoming obligated to the Fae Court. Then the line of reasoning would be this, Lea or Mab wanted something that only Maggie could give them. A child. Malcolm was to be the father. Because he brought something to the table that the Queens needed. Whatever quality that might be.
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She did not avoid the clutches of the White King. She had his kid. She escaped, eventually, but only after she demonstrated the massive stupidity necessary to screw the White King on purpose, and the massive arrogance to believe she could get away with it.
We can't assume she avoided becoming obligated to the Fae Court. In fact, I think the opposite is practically a given. You don't spend 100 years traipsing around Faerie -- not when you're as arrogant and shortsighted as we know that Maggie Sr. was -- without picking up obligations and getting mixed up with the Fae. I mean, her nickname practically means, "I got mixed up with the fae."
Seriously. She made mistakes. She made a ton of mistakes. She effed up so bad that she ended up running from damn near everybody she knew, and then got her ass murdered. We have no reason to believe she's some master chessmaster who went to her death saying, "All according to plan."
She was a teenager going, "YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO DAD!" until she had to run for her life.
morriswalters:
She did get away. And she neutered the colossal p***k to boot. And the chain ended with him being a sock puppet for Lara. Karma is a b****h. I call that a win. However other than that you may be right. We won't know unless JB decides to share. I'm just trying to find Malcolm's place in this. I'm not a real big believer in happy chance.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 25, 2018, 12:34:33 AM ---She did get away.
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And where is she now? Right, dead. After spending years helping the evil, sadistic, daughter-raping, son-murdering bastard doing God only knows what because she thought she knew better than her dad.
Oh, and at some point during this relationship she was working with, or trying to work with, one of the worst, most sadistic and evil Red Court vampires that we know of, who would later try to wipe her entire remaining family off the face of the planet.
Yup, the very picture of foresight, she was.
--- Quote ---And she neutered the colossal p***k to boot.
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As he murdered her. If anything, that's at tie.
--- Quote ---And the chain ended with him being a sock puppet for Lara. Karma is a b****h.
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Not something Maggie planned or really had any hand in, being 25-ish years dead at the time.
--- Quote ---I call that a win.
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One that cost her life, and didn't become a win until Lord Raith very nearly murdered both her sons. If it's anyone's win, it's Harry's.
Her death curse worked out to a win "eventually" (and only if you ignore that now Lara has the potential to be much worse, since she's competent); that doesn't mean she gets credit for planning the whole thing out. If anything, it was a desperate, last-breath retaliation.
--- Quote ---However other than that you may be right. We won't know unless JB decides to share. I'm just trying to find Malcolm's place in this. I'm not a real big believer in happy chance.
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He has a place in this.
He's a good, mortal man that redeemed Maggie with his love.
He doesn't need to be supernaturally connected. He doesn't need to be personally powerful. He doesn't need to be part of someone else's grand plan.
Jim reminds us -- constantly -- that mortal free will and just Doing The Right Thing can and does make a real difference. That is what Malcolm is. That's his place in this. He's proof that the biggest difference doesn't have to be who can sling the most fire around, who has the most faeries on her Rolodex, or who can plan 27 steps ahead.
It can be just anyone, who decides to be a good person and do the right thing.
It's the reason Aragorn and Gandalf aren't the heroes of Lord of the Rings -- it's Frodo and Sam.
Wizard Sibelis:
EDITED BY paranetonline
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on September 24, 2018, 06:46:55 PM ---If this is in reference to the soulgaze between Harry and Thomas, the words "empty" and "night" don't appear anywhere in the description of the demon in the mirror, let alone put together as in the White Court's customary curse.
Oddly, perhaps, for a book centered around the White Court, the term "Empty night" only actually appears once in the whole text.
The passage doesn't even describe any sort of sky, let alone one that could be interpreted even loosely as an "empty night."
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Oh i'm sorry your so fixated on that word, I made a connective error because I see something you do not. (also I know precisely wtf empty night refers to, it's a vampire curse in ann rice's novels used to describe a night without prey, a night without mortal kind, thanks though)
--- Quote ---...but looking closer revealed that rather than black and white marble, the place was made from dark, dried blood and sun-bleached bones
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seems of the same quality as
--- Quote ---...beyond the wall the land was mad of dust and mud and loose shale... ...those layers and mountains of shale? They weren't shale. They were bones.
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Which also has as a feature
--- Quote ---Though the land was somehow lit, the sky was as black as Cat Sith's conscience, without a single star or speck of light to be seen.
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It seems kosher to me despite the logical leap from deduction ya'll just haven't done yet.
But I disgress, Since Mirror Harry is calling others from the outside, basically willing them into being from another reality, the passage itself is of course from the outside, if the mechanism is the mirror itself, then it's simple enough to deduce.
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The brown text is where you're being antagonistic. Here's what you could have said that would have been less controversial.
My bad, I made a connective error. When reading this <first quote> I made a parallel with this <second quote> which associates with Empty Night with <third quote>. I think there could be a connection between them.
The purple text is where you're presenting facts from another series or your own speculation as facts in the Dresdenverse. Either might be accurate in the long run, but in the meantime, you're not arguing in good faith. Building upon theories is fine and good, but don't be dismissive of others if they don't recognize your theory as fact until it's proven true.
In short, stop being antagonistic. This is the last warning.
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