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Zoo Day and the great Masquerade

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Mr. Death:

--- Quote from: Quantus on July 25, 2018, 05:37:57 PM ---Mouse's conversation with the Creepers indicated otherwise, it spoke of a governing Law, and Laws have to be Written, and with Purpose.  As long as they dont physically harm them (thus leaving evidence, I say from under my oversized tinfoil hat) they are allowed to challenge, haunt, and otherwise terrorize them as they see fit, at somewhere in there it specifically mentioned it as a form of training/conditioning/preperation (will look for the quote when I get home).

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I think that was more Law as it applies to Mouse than as it applies to the Creepers. Mouse can only intervene if they harm her physically (just like how Uriel can only intervene if his opposite numbers do).

vultur:
I have to say I really dislike this concept of beings that adults can't ever know about. It doesn't seem to fit well with stuff already established in the series.

- When Harry was a ghost, Lea made a big deal about how his ghost-memories were perfect, not stored by his brain but in the universe itself. So if he knew about these creatures as a kid but was made to forget later, he still should have remembered as a ghost.

- What if some haunts are hanging around on Demonreach when Harry uses his intellectus to see if there are any monsters around? Shouldn't intellectus override whatever power or effect keeps them hidden from adults?

Mr. Death:

--- Quote from: vultur on July 26, 2018, 05:56:55 AM ---I have to say I really dislike this concept of beings that adults can't ever know about. It doesn't seem to fit well with stuff already established in the series.

- When Harry was a ghost, Lea made a big deal about how his ghost-memories were perfect, not stored by his brain but in the universe itself. So if he knew about these creatures as a kid but was made to forget later, he still should have remembered as a ghost.
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When would they have been relevant to think about during Ghost Story?


--- Quote ---- What if some haunts are hanging around on Demonreach when Harry uses his intellectus to see if there are any monsters around? Shouldn't intellectus override whatever power or effect keeps them hidden from adults?
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There's no children on Demonreach. Why would Haunts be there if their primary (only?) prey aren't around?

Quantus:

--- Quote from: vultur on July 26, 2018, 05:56:55 AM ---I have to say I really dislike this concept of beings that adults can't ever know about. It doesn't seem to fit well with stuff already established in the series.

- When Harry was a ghost, Lea made a big deal about how his ghost-memories were perfect, not stored by his brain but in the universe itself. So if he knew about these creatures as a kid but was made to forget later, he still should have remembered as a ghost.

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He had to think about things first to get caught in that, and it was dangerous enough he actively tried no to, lest he loose a decade on a Pink Floyd Album.  If he'd starte ruminating on "the first time he fought a monster" he might have gotten a different memory than the HWWB/Justin scene. 

--- Quote ---- What if some haunts are hanging around on Demonreach when Harry uses his intellectus to see if there are any monsters around? Shouldn't intellectus override whatever power or effect keeps them hidden from adults?

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Given that it apparently affects the "adult" intellect of Mouse and only his Guardian-ness seems to (barely) get past it, it's possible the Creeper's mass  protection would count him as Too Old to sense them. 

Snark Knight:

--- Quote from: UncommonSense on July 25, 2018, 01:39:59 PM ---The Carpenter family, including Maggie, are that much more aware that these things exist and have names.  Kids are told, from a young age, that it's just their imagination, or it's just the wind, or it's just that tree tapping on their window.

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I think Maggie and the Carpenter kids might also have more perception than usual. A predator whose possessed host is walking around with all-black eyes like the demons on Supernatural is going to have trouble if all kids can see them even if adults can't. I don't think she's quite got the Sight, but perception of the haunts' true nature might be a perk of their connection with Michael. He did say when Harry owned up to grabbing the coin before his son could that the Knights' families usually get some limited protection.

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