The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Zoo Day and the great Masquerade
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 01, 2018, 09:59:54 PM ---Yes, it is. Because clued in people that /should/ be able to recognize and believe in the existence of these folks (like the Carpenters) are still proving incapable
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And when have we seen a "clued in" adult be told about these things, then be unable to retain information about them after the fact?
So far, the only time we've seen adults confront the idea of monsters that are only sensed by children, it was an adult that brought it up, as a known thing.
To my knowledge, we do not have any examples of an adult being informed about these things and then being unable to retain the knowledge.
What we do have is near constant reminders that people edit their own memories to get rid of or cover up things they don't want to remember, rationalizing it away. I see no reason to believe the same thing wouldn't happen in the transition from child to adult.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on August 02, 2018, 04:25:32 AM ---And when have we seen a "clued in" adult be told about these things, then be unable to retain information about them after the fact?
So far, the only time we've seen adults confront the idea of monsters that are only sensed by children, it was an adult that brought it up, as a known thing.
To my knowledge, we do not have any examples of an adult being informed about these things and then being unable to retain the knowledge.
What we do have is near constant reminders that people edit their own memories to get rid of or cover up things they don't want to remember, rationalizing it away. I see no reason to believe the same thing wouldn't happen in the transition from child to adult.
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You are correct we dont have any scenes on page. We do, however, actually know how the Carpenter family generally operates and responds to supernatural danger, and the apparent response of the carptenter kids doesnt fit that at all, nor does it make any sense for any of those kids (which include Molly and David, recall) to forget and/or rationalize away that aspect of the supernatural while retaining the rest.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 02, 2018, 06:02:19 PM ---You are correct we dont have any scenes on page. We do, however, actually know how the Carpenter family generally operates and responds to supernatural danger, and the apparent response of the carptenter kids doesnt fit that at all, nor does it make any sense for any of those kids (which include Molly and David, recall) to forget and/or rationalize away that aspect of the supernatural while retaining the rest.
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Who says they did any of that?
The only thing we know about the Carpenter kids' reaction to this kind of supernatural stuff is that they wrote everything down in a book and passed it on to their younger siblings.
We have no idea whether or not Molly or Daniel retained anything, because they've never addressed or been confronted with the issue that we've seen.
The balance of the actual evidence we do have indicates that adults are perfectly capable of retaining knowledge of these kinds of creatures, they're just generally unaware of them because they can't sense them.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on August 02, 2018, 06:46:05 PM ---Who says they did any of that?
The only thing we know about the Carpenter kids' reaction to this kind of supernatural stuff is that they wrote everything down in a book and passed it on to their younger siblings.
We have no idea whether or not Molly or Daniel retained anything, because they've never addressed or been confronted with the issue that we've seen.
The balance of the actual evidence we do have indicates that adults are perfectly capable of retaining knowledge of these kinds of creatures, they're just generally unaware of them because they can't sense them.
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Yes, we have not seen them forget anything on-screen, sure. However, the rest of the interactions we've seen throughout the series would fit what you propose, sooo....
If by "balance of actual evidence" you mean Harry giving a lecture on a creature that may or may not be at all related to the ones we've actually witness, then sure, and which he may or may not have any first (or even second) hand experience with, then sure.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 02, 2018, 07:27:31 PM ---Yes, we have not seen them forget anything on-screen, sure. However, the rest of the interactions we've seen throughout the series would fit what you propose, sooo....
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That's the thing -- there aren't any other "interactions" we could base this on. We have not seen any of them in any context where this topic would be brought up.
--- Quote ---If by "balance of actual evidence" you mean Harry giving a lecture on a creature that may or may not be at all related to the ones we've actually witness, then sure, and which he may or may not have any first (or even second) hand experience with, then sure.
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Yes, considering that's the only evidence we have.
And the story isn't just him giving a lecture. It's him relating a story where he did have direct, first-hand experience with the bogeyman. During the story, he establishes that he can't sense its presence directly, but that he is perfectly aware of the creature and how it operates. He tells two other adults about this, and they appear perfectly capable of understanding and retaining the information.
If you can show me something that indicates that this creature that regularly targets and is only detectable by children is fundamentally different from the other creatures that regularly target and are only detectable by children, I'd be happy to see it.
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