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--- Quote from: Mr. Death on July 28, 2018, 04:07:07 PM ---I think you guys are overselling the "adults don't know" thing.

I really don't think it's that adults are incapable of retaining information on them. Just that they can't normally perceive them, so they forget or rationalize away what happened to them as kids when they grow up.

That happens with totally mundane things. There were games you made up with your friends and played as a three year old that, in the moment, you knew forward and backward, but a few years later you don't remember it even happened.

Again, Harry was well aware of the bogeyman, even though that's the same kind of thing as the haunts and the creepers.

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Nope, it's very much a supernatural effect.  Keep in mind that the very authors of that book, the carpenter kids themselves who are entirely aware of the Adult supernatural world, are also forgetting these things as they grow up and pass the book along.  The fact that Mouse has difficulty sensing them also proves there is a supernatural effect at work.  Id have to go digging but Im pretty sure this was even confirmed in one of the older WOJ's when he was first talking about the Zoo Day concept.

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--- Quote from: Quantus on July 30, 2018, 09:37:56 PM ---Nope, it's very much a supernatural effect.  Keep in mind that the very authors of that book, the carpenter kids themselves who are entirely aware of the Adult supernatural world, are also forgetting these things as they grow up and pass the book along.  The fact that Mouse has difficulty sensing them also proves there is a supernatural effect at work.  Id have to go digging but Im pretty sure this was even confirmed in one of the older WOJ's when he was first talking about the Zoo Day concept.

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A supernatural effect keeping adults from sensing them right then and there maybe. There doesn't appear to be one keeping adults who hear about them as adults from remembering from that point.

Because, again: Harry knew about the bogeyman.

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--- Quote from: Mr. Death on July 31, 2018, 02:06:18 PM ---A supernatural effect keeping adults from sensing them right then and there maybe. There doesn't appear to be one keeping adults who hear about them as adults from remembering from that point.
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It does make people forget as they age though, and we dont know whether adults are capable of retaining the memories. If they could remember then it would not have fallen out the way it did in the Carpenter household because they (the carpenter children) would have been able to just tell their clued in parents rather than having to go it alone and make a secret slayer's guide. 
(click to show/hide)Because, again: Harry knew about the bogeyman.

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Which is pretty decent evidence that the Bogeyman not a race of Creeper. There are tons of phobophage species out there, just because that one is classically associated with children doesnt make it one of these things. 

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--- Quote from: Quantus on July 31, 2018, 02:34:08 PM ---Which is pretty decent evidence that the Bogeyman not a race of Creeper. There are tons of phobophage species out there, just because that one is classically associated with children doesnt make it one of these things.

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It matches them in every other way. It preys on children and is undetectable to adults, including wizard adults. The way Harry describes it puts it pretty well in line with the way Maggie talks about the Creepers.

Occam's razor, guys. It's a far simpler explanation that adults simply forget something from their early childhood (and which they can't sense as adults) than that they literally cannot retain information about them.

I mean, you still have Dresden-verse adults remembering what their children say about the "monsters under the bed," and such. Just because they don't believe it doesn't mean they're incapable of retaining information.

Or are we positing that the enchantment is so subtle and specialized that it can only block information about bogeymen and the like if it's "true" information?

Really, it's not in any way different from adults who encounter the supernatural and then "forget" it or rationalize it away. "There's no such thing as creepers, that was just a silly thing I believed when I was three, but I know better," is exactly the same as, "That wasn't a ghoul that jumped me and my partner, it was just a big, drunk guy on PCP with a couple of knives."

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--- Quote from: Mr. Death on July 31, 2018, 02:45:56 PM ---Really, it's not in any way different from adults who encounter the supernatural and then "forget" it or rationalize it away. "There's no such thing as creepers, that was just a silly thing I believed when I was three, but I know better," is exactly the same as, "That wasn't a ghoul that jumped me and my partner, it was just a big, drunk guy on PCP with a couple of knives."

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Yes, it is.  Because clued in people that /should/ be able to recognize and believe  in the existence of these folks (like the Carpenters) are still proving incapable

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