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Is it possible to kill a WC Hunger Demon?
vultur:
With enough power it ought to be possible. But the problem would be finding enough power in a way that isn't lethal to the human host. (There's a WOJ that Mab could remove the demon from Thomas, but it would basically destroy him since Mab isn't that gentle.)
I don't think starvation would do it though. I think you'd need either a being of "force of nature"/cosmic level power (like a Faerie Queen or Mother, a major/relatively undiminished god, an angel or Archangel, etc.) or a really enormously supercharged thaumaturgical spell (like the Bloodline Curse that wiped out the Red Court and removed the infection from the Infected... maybe not quite so huge if you're just trying to do it to one person, but I think it's still way more than even a powerful wizard is likely to be able to manage, since Harry couldn't find a way to cure Susan in months of research between GP and SK).
And most entities powerful enough to do it have cosmic constraints keeping them from using their power freely.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: vultur on July 15, 2018, 04:25:30 PM ---With enough power it ought to be possible. But the problem would be finding enough power in a way that isn't lethal to the human host. (There's a WOJ that Mab could remove the demon from Thomas, but it would basically destroy him since Mab isn't that gentle.)
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I don't think that the problem is that Mab isn't gentle, so much as that there's no sharp dividing line where Thomas Raith, human being, stops, and the Hunger begins, they blende into each other and are sort of one thing. If Mab rips out the Hunger, she would take a lot of Thomas with it because they are merged. Trying to be gentle, I suspect, would just produce the same results more slowly.
I think you might compare it to the way a grafted plant merges, only the graft line is all over the plant.
Before that first feeding, I think the two are mostly separate, at that point Mab could probably rip the Hunger out with a minimum of harm. After that first feeding, I think things are different.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Wizard Sibelis on July 13, 2018, 03:58:15 PM ---It would probably consume the host trying to stay alive, it is basically a parasite, not a symbiont.
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Most symbiotic relations break down if you put that much stress on it.
If you look at it from a biological point of view they are not just symbiots, they are on the verge of becoming one species.
the replication is bound to the replication of the host in such a way that the interests of the host and the hunger alaign for a great deal. Compared to that a red court vampire is the real parasite. It sterilises the host and spreads via infection.
A nice SF about parasites and symbiots is Harry Harrison's Planet of the damned.
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/21873
Wizard Sibelis:
--- Quote from: Arjan on July 19, 2018, 10:35:33 AM ---Most symbiotic relations break down if you put that much stress on it.
If you look at it from a biological point of view they are not just symbiots, they are on the verge of becoming one species.
the replication is bound to the replication of the host in such a way that the interests of the host and the hunger alaign for a great deal. Compared to that a red court vampire is the real parasite. It sterilises the host and spreads via infection.
A nice SF about parasites and symbiots is Harry Harrison's Planet of the damned.
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/21873
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Sorry but we have no proof of either of those, we know getting bit does not automatically infect, so a blood gift or however(since we never see how they force the half transformation) isn't provable to be any viral/bacterial disease. Nor can they be for sure sterile when The chick Harry killed Dueling in CH was the daughter of the King. Though possible from some point when he wasn't a vampire... unless we see proof the king was ever not what he is I'd hardly believe it.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Wizard Sibelis on July 19, 2018, 04:03:21 PM ---Sorry but we have no proof of either of those, we know getting bit does not automatically infect, so a blood gift or however(since we never see how they force the half transformation) isn't provable to be any viral/bacterial disease. Nor can they be for sure sterile when The chick Harry killed Dueling in CH was the daughter of the King. Though possible from some point when he wasn't a vampire... unless we see proof the king was ever not what he is I'd hardly believe it.
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It is obviously not a bacterie or a virus, we are talking magic here. IT is a spiritual infection Just like nemesis is a spiritual infection.
Blood is not enough to carry it over but ask Susan about it.
The vampires see those who they infected and turned (taken over) as their children, that was mentioned several times. Normal parent child relations are not mentioned.
Another word for spiritual infection is of course possession though the relation between the resident spirit and the invading one does not have to be that straightforward and there all the different parasite and symbiotic possibilities appear.
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