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Love Potion, Huge Violation of 3rd Law?
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Arjan on July 18, 2018, 01:33:53 PM ---That is what Uriel's 7 words in Ghost Story seems to make somewhat hollow. Sure, only Harry can change who he is but Mab knows from experience that if you push hard enough it will happen.
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I dont see your meaning with that comparison, Hollow how? The Shadow (Lasciel) spoke seven words at the right Time and Place to convince Harry that it was inevitable that he would eventually fall, so Uriel spoke seven words at the right Time and Place to convince him of the opposite (and since Harry had already died he was given some leeway to arrange said moment).
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 18, 2018, 06:22:04 PM ---I dont see your meaning with that comparison, Hollow how? The Shadow (Lasciel) spoke seven words at the right Time and Place to convince Harry that it was inevitable that he would eventually fall, so Uriel spoke seven words at the right Time and Place to convince him of the opposite (and since Harry had already died he was given some leeway to arrange said moment).
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They were the right words to counter Lasciel and strictly speaking right from Uriels point of view but Mab was not wrong either.
Paviel:
--- Quote ---Not so fast, if the drinker has no clue as to what he or she is drinking, it isn't his or her own decision...
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Point of order: Susan didn't know what she was drinking.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Paviel on July 18, 2018, 08:32:27 PM ---Point of order: Susan didn't know what she was drinking.
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You don't catch Uriel that easily. Since when is actually being well informed part of the human free will experience? Sometimes you get the idea that knowing everything leaves you no choice so no free will. It was her choice to drink something from a wizards lab.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Arjan on July 18, 2018, 06:41:13 PM ---They were the right words to counter Lasciel and strictly speaking right from Uriels point of view but Mab was not wrong either.
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How so? Because all indications Ive seen (text and WOJ) is that she was very much mistaken. Not a bad thing, she's allowed to misunderstand Human Nature, supposedly that part of why she used Sarissa as a forced-BFF giving her Human Cultural Interaction lessons.
--- Quote from: Arjan on July 18, 2018, 08:37:35 PM ---You don't catch Uriel that easily. Since when is actually being well informed part of the human free will experience? Sometimes you get the idea that knowing everything leaves you no choice so no free will. It was her choice to drink something from a wizards lab.
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She was aware that it was a Dangerous place and Chose to go Anyway; Harry was aware that he was hiding the full scope of that danger from her, but did it Anyway out of misguided protectiveness (by his own current evaluation). Fair Play from a Free Perspective.
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