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Love Potion, Huge Violation of 3rd Law?
peregrine:
Technically, I think that was an illusion. Somehow. Despite providing visual aids and happening faster than normal speech.
Also, they had to have gone into people's minds somehow to assess the damage Peabody did, yes?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: peregrine on August 10, 2018, 02:22:53 AM ---Technically, I think that was an illusion. Somehow. Despite providing visual aids and happening faster than normal speech.
Also, they had to have gone into people's minds somehow to assess the damage Peabody did, yes?
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Yes and they knew exactly how to do so. And how exactly did they inspect the damage Molly did to Nelson?
Lucio’s interpretation might be somewhat more loose but I do not think she goes beyond what is possible. I think there are differences in interpretation not just over time but even between wizards and I strongly suspect wizards like Morgan and Langtry are prepared to interpret the law more strictly if they want to kill someone because they genuinely believe that person is a warlock. And less strict for themselves if necessary.
I think the total rejection of mind magic before turncoat was just a way to keep the kids safe from temptation not something really enforced by the laws. It is also easier, you don’t have to go into the details. It was policy, not law and because of that it was easily changed.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: groinkick on August 10, 2018, 01:57:15 AM ---Isn't Langtry sending a telepathic message to everyone a violation since he had to enter their mind to deliver the message?
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That appears to have been on the same level of surface thoughts as Harry's communication spell to Elaine.
--- Quote from: Arjan on August 10, 2018, 03:42:04 AM ---Yes and they knew exactly how to do so. And how exactly did they inspect the damage Molly did to Nelson?
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Harry was able to inspect damage to Rosie with the Sight.
And yeah, different wizards are going to have different -- and occasionally self-serving -- interpretations of the laws. Which is why I tend to use the cosmic laws as a more solid guideline.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on August 10, 2018, 07:10:13 PM ---That appears to have been on the same level of surface thoughts as Harry's communication spell to Elaine.
Harry was able to inspect damage to Rosie with the Sight.
And yeah, different wizards are going to have different -- and occasionally self-serving -- interpretations of the laws. Which is why I tend to use the cosmic laws as a more solid guideline.
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What is solid about these “cosmic” laws? They are not even codified. They can not be used in any court. The only thing it says is that some uses of magic are bad for your soul and we have some obvious examples but you can not use those laws to examine things like mutual agreed mind magic, we simply do not have enough evidence.
You can say something useful about the seven laws though. We have the wordings and some cases and some quotes from the books.
Unless someone mentions otherwise I have to assume we are talking about the seven laws of magic as used by the white council.
If not please mention so. Something like laws of magiccosmic
Wizard Sibelis:
--- Quote from: Arjan on August 10, 2018, 07:59:13 PM ---What is solid about these “cosmic” laws? They are not even codified. They can not be used in any court. The only thing it says is that some uses of magic are bad for your soul and we have some obvious examples but you can not use those laws to examine things like mutual agreed mind magic, we simply do not have enough evidence.
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Actually I think we do have enough evidence to codify how the laws might specifically work... if you look at the evidence shown within the DF, it's actually based around wither or not your violating free will directly... hence Molly was trained by Leah to use illusion and other non abrogating methods to instill fear as a weapon, as opposed to the original violations using fear. Or the fae themselves being in the balance, never going into the negative with Rent because of the equivalency methods they use combined with the fact they simply do not directly violate free will...
Random tangential, They never violate any of TWG's 3 weaponized powers either, in Duty they maintain a warriors sense of Hope. In keeping their word they keep faith and in respecting homestead laws they respect the sanctity of love.
You might disagree but youd be hard pressed to show me an example disproving such a connection threading the 7 laws with free will...
extended tangential, the 7 laws(and the 7 Courts) may actually coincide indirectly with the 7 deadly sins. Though the exact translation would take some bearing of mind, some are easier to see, like wrath=murder or pride/hubris=TT and others you have to wonder a bit at, like sloth=enthrallment or invasion of mind=envy... and some really stretch but still fit vaguely, like Lust(non physical definition)=reaching beyond the outer gates
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