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Is Michael more than he appears?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: groinkick on July 11, 2018, 05:31:24 PM ---Here is a question. If an Immortal is killed on a day that isn't Halloween, when they return do they lose a lot of their humanity since they had to rely 100% on the Mantle reanimating them?
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The body is not the important part, it is about the spiritual essence, spirit and soul. As long as all the spiritual essence is preserved it does not really matter.
In skin game I had the strange feeling that Molly when she had to go to her fathers house in a hurry at the end of the book she just traveled in spirit form and assembled a body on the spot. Totally unprovable and probably not true but not impossible either.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Arjan on July 11, 2018, 06:17:03 PM ---The body is not the important part, it is about the spiritual essence, spirit and soul. As long as all the spiritual essence is preserved it does not really matter.
In skin game I had the strange feeling that Molly when she had to go to her fathers house in a hurry at the end of the book she just traveled in spirit form and assembled a body on the spot. Totally unprovable and probably not true but not impossible either.
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Yes but as you become to rely on the Mantle you are excepting it's influence. So by dying and relying on it fully wouldn't that mean you're more likely to except the Mantle more fully?
Arjan:
I think it is more about the choices you make under the mantles influence. If those choices are not the ones you would normally make, do not agree with who you want to be, then those choices will change you.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: groinkick on July 11, 2018, 06:34:29 PM ---Yes but as you become to rely on the Mantle you are excepting it's influence. So by dying and relying on it fully wouldn't that mean you're more likely to except the Mantle more fully?
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For what it's worth, I believe something similar to this would take place upon regeneration, not necessarily because they'd be relying on it fully, but because the Mantle itself (or whatever is powering it—Winter) rebuilds the shell. The closest real-life comparison I could make to it is an artificial intelligence being responsible for creating a new artificial intelligence. Does that make sense?
Also, to add on to my previous post about Hastings, I realize I forgot to make my main point: it's possible that Immortals can be killed (truly killed) by other means (such as, perhaps, a Knight of the Cross, or a Starborn making a specific, natural-order-disrupting choice).
vultur:
I don't think we know enough about either the mechanism of Immortal regeneration or the mechanism of Mantle-driven "de-humanization" to decide what the result would be.
If the Mantle rebuilds the being from some "template", then it would "de-humanize" the being - if Molly got killed and rebuilt from a template of "archetypal Winter Lady" then the specifically Molly aspects would be gone.
If the Mantle "restores" from something like a "saved game", it wouldn't, because it would restore Molly to her state pre-death.
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