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Was Nemesis in Storm Front?
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Fcrate on June 23, 2018, 07:31:48 AM ---I'm not sure who exactly, but Lily, Harry himself and Rashid have listed Victor sells as one of the oddities happening lately.
I think that groinkick is correct. Upstart sorcerer who had access to more power and training than he should have, it's either Nemesis's work directly, or one of the circle. Which is more of the same.
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Considering the WOJ about the first N-fected host appearing in GP, I'd lean heavily toward the second interpretation, that Sells, Denton and Kravos were pawns of a background player who's the true N-fected host. A skilled warlock or vampire with even moderate mental influence capabilities wouldn't find it particularly hard to warp a couple of self-taught small time practitioners and a vanilla into cat's paws.
--- Quote from: peregrine on June 23, 2018, 05:14:18 AM ---Was it Lea who connected Sells, the FBI agents and riling up the ghosts(?) as sharing an origin?
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If you meant that in the sense of was Lea the master who manipulated all three, I don't think it likely she was secretly infected way before receiving the athame.
peregrine:
I meant in the sense of making the connection for Harry. But apparently I was thinking of Lily, as folks mentioned.
Mira:
--- Quote from: raidem on June 23, 2018, 02:13:02 PM ---What I argue is that Nemesis, or more of it, was (or was meant to have been more fully) inserted into the world via the attack on Demonreach. There may have been similar attacks at other times on Demonreach. One of these times the Gatekeeper may have participated in and in that event more of, or Nemesis crept into our reality. And, Demonreach holds a grudge that a mistake Gatekeeper made, allowed it.
So I'm saying that Nemesis spread is similar or comes from same energy as the attack projected on Demonreach that allows the dissonance. The Nemesis spread on Earth is analogous to the dissonance spread on Demonreach. It is as if somewhere in reality, Demonreach may have fell.
If the Knights or more specifically HWWB servers the Lord of Slowest Terror, Nemesis may be some sort of projection of his body into our world.
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I think you might be on to something, but I doubt that Nemesis acts independently.. I think it requires a vector to spread it, as in the case of Lea and the Knife, the Knife being the vector. Once infected, the host suffers a mental breakdown for lack of a better name for it, which plays into the hands of the Enemy. Some of us have gotten into the habit of blaming any evil or odd behavior on Nemesis, but I think it is more complicated than that. I think there are players on the same team that comprise the "Enemy," Outsiders, Denarians, the Red and Black Courts, Nemesis is more or less a tool of the Enemy.. The White Court isn't so easy to figure out, some aspects of it seem to play for the team, it is possible that the Hunger Demon itself is part of the Enemy, but with varying degrees of success.. I think it depends on the family, Thomas must feed, but perhaps because of his mother and brother doesn't act like someone Nemesis infected. Lara on the other hand is harder to figure out, she works strictly for self interest and plays both sides I think.
raidem:
--- Quote ---I think you might be on to something, but I doubt that Nemesis acts independently.. I think it requires a vector to spread it, as in the case of Lea and the Knife, the Knife being the vector.
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Thanks, many of us believed per WOJ's about the Gatekeeper, Demonreach's grudge against Gatekeeper, that Gatekeeper may have erred in letting something through. Many of us believed it was related in some way to Nemesis. I just related it to the power used against Demonreach. It was used that way across time and space so there are multiple times that it could have leaked into our reality to begin the unravelling of Demonreach.
Nemesis may be some entity or some sentient spell of undoing and it was related again to powers that were thrown against Demonreach. It means that Gatebreaker (HWWBefore) was trying to assist in letting in some way Nemesis a greater ability to affect this world. As to the unravelling I talked about before, I'm wondering about Mother Winter's unravelling she created in Summer Knight and a comparison of it compared to a possible Nemesis sentient spell of undoing. Though I think the Nemesis spell may be something like spells mission is to undo this universe.
peregrine:
I disagree. While Nic is inherently untrustworthy, he did not seem to be thrilled about the idea of one of the Denarians working with Outsiders. Plus what Jim said about Lucifer not wanting the universe destroyed (though Nic is not necessarily on board with that idea) makes me think that generally the Denarians would not be thrilled with the Outsider agenda.
There are enemies, of which Outsiders, the Denarians, Vampire Courts, are included, but lumping them together as The Enemy is a bit of a reach to me.
Though with the Denarian traitor, Papa Raith having some sort of contact with Outsiders, there's always the possibility for individuals to be on Team Outside.
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