The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
WAG.... Murphy has moved on
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: groinkick on July 06, 2018, 02:13:22 AM ---Yeah. You know what's funny. When Murphy made her error against Nicodemus, he in turn error'd against the Sword. He took the Sword, and broke it on the ground because he didn't have Faith the Sword could work without the blade. The correct way is to unmake the Sword by killing an innocent with it.
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You know, I always wondered how they know that.
I mean, obviously it hasn't happened before. So how could they know what would or wouldn't unmake it?
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on July 06, 2018, 02:24:26 AM ---You know, I always wondered how they know that.
I mean, obviously it hasn't happened before. So how could they know what would or wouldn't unmake it?
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Hmmm Good point... I dunno maybe it's just how the Mantle's/Graces work so it's common knowledge. The Sword has a purpose, like a Mantle. Violate that purpose and it's destroyed. I'm wondering if Molly had (click to show/hide) somehow had sex with Carlos it would have destroyed the Mantle which is why it defended itself as Mab put it.
peregrine:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on July 06, 2018, 02:24:26 AM ---You know, I always wondered how they know that.
I mean, obviously it hasn't happened before. So how could they know what would or wouldn't unmake it?
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I imagine Anduriel knows, thanks to the powers of being a fallen angel.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: peregrine on July 06, 2018, 05:18:25 AM ---I imagine Anduriel knows, thanks to the powers of being a fallen angel.
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Id go with that. They still follow Rules, just Rules that we wee mortals have difficulty understanding. Or TWG informed the knights somewhere/somehow along the line (seems like the sort of thing the rules would allow the Knights to know).
--- Quote from: groinkick on July 06, 2018, 02:13:22 AM ---Yeah. You know what's funny. When Murphy made her error against Nicodemus, he in turn error'd against the Sword. He took the Sword, and broke it on the ground because he didn't have Faith the Sword could work without the blade. The correct way is to unmake the Sword by killing an innocent with it.
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That's how you destroy Amoracchius (aka the Sword of Love), which as cold-hearted murder of an innocent is arguably a supremely Loveless Act. The Sword of Faith is Destroyed by Faithlessness, or an act of treachery (per SmF). Im guessing the Sword of Hope would be destroyed by an Act of Despair where somebody would need to commit suicide on it.
But the other aspect is that, per GP, a Swords destruction is a two-stage thing. First it needs to be made Vulnerable through mis-use, rendering it a mundane sword the way Harry did with Lea that time. Then, once a wielder has exposed it the final destruction can be done, which was where Mavra was going to murder an innocent with it. It's possible that Nic was hoping Murphy's strike would be enough internal/emotional betrayal to do the deed, but I think it more likely that he just went for the lesser Win. Even if the Sword's magic/spirit wasnt permanently destroyed it should have taken months or years to reforge the Sword into something that would actually threaten him; ensuring that one of the defunct swords stays defunct is a Win for him, especially now when all the Big powers are realizing the clock is almost out, so a few years more is all that really matters.
peregrine:
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on what destroys a Sword. Amoracchius was rendered vulnerable by an act of faithlessness, in fact, one done out of an act of love. And would murdering someone with a Sword that exists to protect the innocent not similarly be an act of Faithlessness?
I do broadly disagree with you on what it takes to do it, though. First render it vulnerable, then destroy or unmake it. Simply shattering the blade wouldn't do it because the steel is not the Sword. It takes something like, what you said, Mavra murdering an innocent. Nic may have wanted to unmake the sword, but he had things to do, so going out of his way and delaying his mission wasn't going to happen. Especially if he expected to get his hands on upwards of half a dozen other artifacts on par with the Swords.
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