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Summoning Molly
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Arjan on June 21, 2018, 04:53:57 PM ---But could she have done so and how would her sister react? I am not sure.
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Jim has made it pretty clear that if Harry screws up, and gets himself ghosted, it's on him. At least that's how I remember it. If he was out getting groceries, and Titania killed him, that's one thing. Summoning the Summer Queen as the Winter Knight on the other hand is a whole other can of worms. I don't doubt that Mab would turn the Summer Knight into one of her play things if he did such a thing.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: groinkick on June 21, 2018, 05:36:34 PM ---Jim has made it pretty clear that if Harry screws up, and gets himself ghosted, it's on him. At least that's how I remember it. If he was out getting groceries, and Titania killed him, that's one thing. Summoning the Summer Queen as the Winter Knight on the other hand is a whole other can of worms. I don't doubt that Mab would turn the Summer Knight into one of her play things if he did such a thing.
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Well, he did summon Titania in pursuit of his duly appointed mission as Winter Knight, and for the protection of the Winter Court.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Avernite on June 21, 2018, 05:41:48 PM ---Well, he did summon Titania in pursuit of his duly appointed mission as Winter Knight, and for the protection of the Winter Court.
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Mab nearly gave an emissary of the White Council frost bite for just requesting the White Council to use the NeverNever to travel through Winter territory. If she had been summoned.......... I don't think said emissary would have survived.
Dashkull:
I think the manner and reason for the summoning are probably the most important factor. Harry would be unwise to summon Titania anywhere, ever, but he has been known to do some dumb stuff.
However, if he tried to use, for instance, the circle on Demonreach to summon her, that would VERY much be like holding a loaded gun against someones forehead. So then the question becomes how much of a compulsion Harry can put into the summoning, which is something we should ask Jim about sometime. I seem to recall Harry saying both that powerful beings could simply choose to not show up, but I also think I remember there being methods of summoning that are compulsory to the thing being summoned.
Could Harry actually FORCE one of the queens to come to him? Mother Winter obviously did not want to answer Harry's summon because it both hurt and insulted her, but she still showed up, after a fashion at least. I would guess that a powerful enough call could force even a powerful being to show up, especially if you have their true name. After that, you just better pray you have a good enough circle to prevent instant immolation. (like the one on top of demonreach. I am increasingly certain it is a VERY important part of how the warden does his job)
I would guess this is addressed more in the early books when Jim tended to spend more time on the nuts and bolts of magic theory, and I dont remember those books as well.
Arjan:
--- Quote ---“It is her way,” Mother Summer said, smiling. “She rarely leaves our cottage anymore. She lost her walking stick. While your summons was impertinent, it was a necessity and you had the right. But it is terribly painful for her to travel, even briefly. You, a mortal, hurt her.”
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--- Quote ---“I have heeded your summons; yet I would not enter this domain unless specifically bidden. Have I your permission to do so?”
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From those words it is clear the queens can refuse the summons but they are Sidhe. Harry has the right to do so if the situation demands it and they will come if the situation demands it.
Better not do it for frivolous reasons though.
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