The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Summoning Molly
Avernite:
--- Quote from: AcornArmy on June 16, 2018, 03:26:38 AM ---The Queens have obligations to the Knight, right? I mean, that makes sense. Harry doesn't seem to have any idea what those obligations are, but it seems like they'd have to be there as part of the Winter Knight package. They may not have a lot of obligations to the Knight, but they must owe him something in exchange for his service. Presumably something more than just turning off his sense of pain, I mean. Maybe one of those obligations is that when he calls, they must answer.
Was that what you were implying? I hadn't considered that until I read your post, but the way Mother Winter acted seems like an indication that she felt obliged to respond to his summons. Not in the normal way, maybe, but she didn't just ignore him, either.
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Actually, I think the Queens have the full needs of vassalage towards the Knight. He must serve them to the best of his abilities, and they in turn must use their power to protect him and his. When the two conflict obviously the Knight can be risked in service of the Queens, but they have a requirement to do so only reasonably.
Mind, if he should fail to serve they also can fail to protect, and punish instead. More or less Denethor's part of the oath ceremony with Pippin in LotR.
Talby16:
--- Quote from: jonas on June 16, 2018, 03:26:07 AM ---You've been gone awhile acorn... I'm thinking we have Woj latent fae ancestory can be activated more or less by proximity, and another that the whole purpose of the fae making bargains is to get mortals caught up in the 'faeness' or whatever, like Harry being butt deep in it now.
*imo, it was the training to use fear as a weapon without directly violating free will and ergo Cosmic reasoning behind the 7 laws.
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Here is a couple of WOJs that may be relevant.
--- Quote ---@longshotauthor @HarriedWizard So a half-elf changeling could have kids that when exposed 2 faerydom, child could exhibit faery qualities?
@DeusSolis @HarriedWizard Yeah, though they’d need more exposure the wider the generation gap was. It would be impractical at some point.
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--- Quote ---The other question I had is, **unintelligible**…when a human takes on the mantle of a Fae, do they automatically become Fae? Do they lose their soul?
Ok, do they automatically become Fae, do they lose their soul? The answer to that question is “sort of”. Um, it’s automatic, but not necessarily instant. Mab herself was human once, and she eventually became the, uh, the fun-loving Mab that we all know. So, a lot of it has to do with who you are when you go into it, because most of the Fae were human once. A lot were born as half-bloods and decided to become Fae and sort of automatically got their **unintelligible**. But a lot of the other Fae who were there, including the Erl and several others, who were at one point humans….So, a lot of this is going to depend on who they might end up being, a lot of it depends on who they are going into it and what kind of will they have to maintain who they are. That’s going to be a big deal. I’m really looking forward to writing the next books so I can see what happens with Molly, ‘cause I’m really not sure yet, I have a vague idea of what’s gonna happen, because basically she just got handed the largest, unruliest crowd of little brothers and sisters to deal with ever.
**Audience laughter**
But on the other hand, she’s kinda cool with that. She’s used to that role. So anyway, we’ll have to see what happens to her, but, uh, there’s a lot of choice involved **unintelligible** as far as soul goes. Everybody always talks about souls as if it’s something you can have a receipt for, that if you lose it, then it’s just gone, and I don’t think souls work that way, I think that there’s too much attached to them, I think that there are too many things that consist of what your soul is, so I don’t think this is kinda trying to figure “did you lose your soul?”, because I think you can lose your soul without bothering to stop by any kind of supernatural beings whatsoever. You know, if you watch the news, you’ll see people who do that all the time. But yeah, as far as The Dresden Files goes, as far as eternal damnation, etc., goes, no I don’t think that’s as much an issue for Molly as yet, it could sometime though. Whether Mab has some kind of spark of a soul left or not, that’s one of those questions that would be very difficult to answer, and I’m probably not smart enough to answer it. Probably, when you’ve gone so far down the road, just pure power is madness, it’s hard to hang on to your soul. And it depends on how people who have been handed all this extra stuff deal with it, and what that’s going to do for them in the long run. And it’s one of those long run kind of things, meaning you’re going to be stuck like that for 2,000 years, you don’t really have to go bad tomorrow, you have plenty of time yet to start growing mold on your conscience.
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Quantus:
--- Quote from: AcornArmy on June 16, 2018, 03:26:38 AM ---The Queens have obligations to the Knight, right? I mean, that makes sense. Harry doesn't seem to have any idea what those obligations are, but it seems like they'd have to be there as part of the Winter Knight package. They may not have a lot of obligations to the Knight, but they must owe him something in exchange for his service. Presumably something more than just turning off his sense of pain, I mean. Maybe one of those obligations is that when he calls, they must answer.
Was that what you were implying? I hadn't considered that until I read your post, but the way Mother Winter acted seems like an indication that she felt obliged to respond to his summons. Not in the normal way, maybe, but she didn't just ignore him, either.
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Pretty much. I think anyone else that tried to summon Mother Winter would have simply failed, even using the Names he did. Though as Im saying this, Im not 100% sure if Id say she was actually forced to personally arrive, or was just impressed enough by his Gumption and Name guesses to exert herself. Ultimately she brought him there for a Test followed by a Power-up in the form of a glimpse of the true Cosmic War (even if he apparently was not able to fully process what he was seeing).
But in general yes, I think Harry and Molly both are considered high ranking Court Members, and as such a certain amount of tolerance for inconvenience and cordial communication is expected. Hell, Harry survived Summoning Titania too, who seemed to have all the Means/Motive/Opportunity to turn him into a grease-smear, but instead did choose (Choose?) to give him Knowledge as well (in the form of Nemesis's Name). So some part of this might just be a base level of courtesy expected of Fae nobility when they interact. Standardized Rules of Etiquette would be the first line of defense against accidentally getting roped into some form of obligation during such interactions.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 21, 2018, 11:51:08 AM ---Pretty much. I think anyone else that tried to summon Mother Winter would have simply failed, even using the Names he did. Though as Im saying this, Im not 100% sure if Id say she was actually forced to personally arrive, or was just impressed enough by his Gumption and Name guesses to exert herself. Ultimately she brought him there for a Test followed by a Power-up in the form of a glimpse of the true Cosmic War (even if he apparently was not able to fully process what he was seeing).
But in general yes, I think Harry and Molly both are considered high ranking Court Members, and as such a certain amount of tolerance for inconvenience and cordial communication is expected. Hell, Harry survived Summoning Titania too, who seemed to have all the Means/Motive/Opportunity to turn him into a grease-smear, but instead did choose (Choose?) to give him Knowledge as well (in the form of Nemesis's Name). So some part of this might just be a base level of courtesy expected of Fae nobility when they interact. Standardized Rules of Etiquette would be the first line of defense against accidentally getting roped into some form of obligation during such interactions.
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And, of course, if Titania turned the Winter Knight into a greasy stain, it'd be war between Summer and Winter.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Avernite on June 21, 2018, 02:47:34 PM ---And, of course, if Titania turned the Winter Knight into a greasy stain, it'd be war between Summer and Winter.
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Not really. If Harry is stupid enough to summon Titania....
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