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Summoning Molly
Quantus:
--- Quote from: WereElephant on June 14, 2018, 04:41:24 PM ---So far, I haven't seen what I consider to be the most entertaining question in this topic be asked: what would Harry summoning Molly look like?
"Youngest noble daughter of Winter, I request your presence in this mortal coil. Eldest Jawa, and herder of the line of the woodworkers, grant me an audience. Accept this offering of Coke I leave before thee. Weaver of veils, mistress of well brewed coffee, desecrator of prepared foods, I needs must speak with thee. Padawan! Grasshopper! Lady Molly! I summon thee!"
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Naaah.
"Molls! Molls! Molls! Get Over Here!"
Summoning is based on the strength of the Name, and I tend to think the ones that represent a more direct and personal connection work best. And they put a lot of emotion into the transition to him calling her Mols.
Fwiw Im pretty sure "Mr Sunshine" would get a faster response than most names for that dude, too.
Dashkull:
Harry has her true name too. Though I think it was spoken by her mom and not directly from Molly’s own lips so it might not be as potent.
The cynical part of Harry has to be thinking “man this knowledge is probably worth a ton in trade, and it’s value is only going up.” I mean, imagine the price someone could ask for for Mabd true name.
--- Quote from: WereElephant on June 14, 2018, 04:41:24 PM ---So far, I haven't seen what I consider to be the most entertaining question in this topic be asked: what would Harry summoning Molly look like?
"Youngest noble daughter of Winter, I request your presence in this mortal coil. Eldest Jawa, and herder of the line of the woodworkers, grant me an audience. Accept this offering of Coke I leave before thee. Weaver of veils, mistress of well brewed coffee, desecrator of prepared foods, I needs must speak with thee. Padawan! Grasshopper! Lady Molly! I summon thee!"
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Bahaha well played sir.
AcornArmy:
--- Quote from: Slowpool on June 12, 2018, 05:24:32 AM --- But how the hell would Amanda get roped up with the Fae enough to become one of them? We know Molly became one because she was so wrapped up with Lea that she somehow qualified to inherit the position. Is there really a way for that to happen with a position on a lesser scale? Christ, so many better questions than the crap I actually asked.
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--- Quote from: jonas on June 12, 2018, 03:20:57 PM ---A. your assuming she's gonna do anything willfully
B. how do you know she doesn't.... Molly proved the fae heritage in her bloodline, Molly, as WL, has been spending time around her family like it's just her family, with her sisters, acting like everything is the same. But the dynamic of what she is is entirely different. And exposure to the fae has consequences. What I describe is perfectly correct, regardless of intention. If Molly suddenly learned to feed on latent adoration or other belief powers latent in the world, can you say her sister would not be a primary boost right at this very moment?
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In a WoJ, Jim described Molly as being pure mortal prior to becoming the Winter Lady. At least, that's how it sounded. So Molly may not have had any fae in her ancestry at all.
If so, then it seems that it's not even necessary for someone to be part-fae in order to take up one of the Faery mantles. They just have to be... they have to have whatever the hell happened to Molly happen to them. Whatever that was, exactly.
The problem is that we really have no idea* what happened with Molly to make her vulnerable for mantle-hood. Did she make bargains with Mab or Lea? We never saw that. Was it just that she was tied into Harry's bargain with Mab? She was his apprentice, and therefore a part of his "demesne" or whatever, according to Faery law? And so when he became Mab's subject, Molly became Mab's subject as well, by default? It seems like human free will ought to have come into play somewhere in there before Molly's choices were all suddenly taken away from her.
Or maybe it was something else. Simple proximity to one of the fae over an extended period of time? The same proximity while debt was being paid or accrued, in the fae sense of the term?
If proximity is all that is required, then the other Carpenters are at risk. If debt is required, then they might be in the clear(though it would be so easy for a casual statement between siblings to end up starting a fairy balance sheet). If one must be considered a subject of one of the Faery Courts-- in however tenuous a fashion-- then the other kids are probably safe in making casual comments.
* (Okay, I realize I said we had no idea, and then I went on to state some of those ideas that I said we didn't have. I'm not changing it. Sometimes emphasis is more important than literal accuracy.)
jonas:
You've been gone awhile acorn... I'm thinking we have Woj latent fae ancestory can be activated more or less by proximity, and another that the whole purpose of the fae making bargains is to get mortals caught up in the 'faeness' or whatever, like Harry being butt deep in it now.
*imo, it was the training to use fear as a weapon without directly violating free will and ergo Cosmic reasoning behind the 7 laws.
AcornArmy:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 12, 2018, 05:32:31 PM ---I think it mostly has to do with whether the senior of the two agrees with the Summoning itself. Molly was able to summon Mab in Cold Case without rebuke but the situation, and more importantly Mab's own duties as the Lady's Trainer, made it permissible. Even Mother Winter didnt...entirely object to Harry's Summons in Cold Days, and she was forced to make the trip and get him even though it caused her pain. She made use of the encounter, but interestingly she did not send a proxy to go get him and avoid her travel issues.
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The Queens have obligations to the Knight, right? I mean, that makes sense. Harry doesn't seem to have any idea what those obligations are, but it seems like they'd have to be there as part of the Winter Knight package. They may not have a lot of obligations to the Knight, but they must owe him something in exchange for his service. Presumably something more than just turning off his sense of pain, I mean. Maybe one of those obligations is that when he calls, they must answer.
Was that what you were implying? I hadn't considered that until I read your post, but the way Mother Winter acted seems like an indication that she felt obliged to respond to his summons. Not in the normal way, maybe, but she didn't just ignore him, either.
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